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Crown 1126 grafts
 
Posts: 50 | Location: australia | Registered: August 22, 2003Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Wow that looks awesome bro.

Dr Martinick seems to know how to make good coverage with such a low amount of grafts.

Also it dosnt even look bloody or fleshy like some of the HT patients on the forum. I remember her showing me her technique of creating the grafts to swirl like your natural hair. Now i have finally got to see her work.It looks like she did it here. I know its too early to comment but it looks like she did awesome job.

Looks fantastic so far for only an hour.

Please keep us updated cause i am sure there are many Aussies in the forum (including me) that would like to see more of her work and to get our HT done by her too.

Great work Dr Martinick.

Congrats CharlesB

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Posts: 63 | Registered: July 06, 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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i am confused,the grafts appear to have been place in lines/rows. is it just me? is this normal?
 
Posts: 112 | Registered: October 11, 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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me too,is there a reason for this falc,anyone?


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Posts: 665 | Location: uk | Registered: May 17, 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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I agree with frog. There is too much pattern to this work. Yes, there should be a swirl to the crown, but the key is a natural swirl. I rather doubt that this is seen in nature. Moreover, how large is the crown? She appears to have extended things into the midcore region still using the same pattern. I am confused by this work from a coalition physician. Maybe I am missing something.

The work has been done with refined instruments so in that aspect I believe that there will be a good yield and likely things will look OK but it is a strange approach in my opinion.

I am curious to hear from Falc or Pat or other veterans. Any other docs seeing please chime in because I am very curious as to others thoughts. I always hate to say anything negative when someone posts their photos but I have realized that it is for the good of others.

NN
 
Posts: 1542 | Registered: November 19, 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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thanks for the feedback...i too notice it is in rows with 6 holes per graft...i think her theory is that they will overlap one another in a sagital way or something or rather, giving a more denser look from less hair, im quite happy with the results myself, i think when it grows in it will be unnoticable...my major work wasnt the actual crown itself but the region just above the crown which im not sure what it is called the vertex perhaps..

also maybe it is to provide the best coverage from only what was harvested...anyone else have any theories?, i also had some existing hairs there which seems to have disappeared in this picture , so maybe she is working around the existing hairs and once everything is grown in it will look rite? looking at it again i think it is a job well done and wont even be noticable
 
Posts: 50 | Location: australia | Registered: August 22, 2003Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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oh yeh i forgot to mention that she places different sort of follicles 18s, 19s, double, triples and together whatever all this means but although there is a pattern there is enough randomness there...thoughts?
 
Posts: 50 | Location: australia | Registered: August 22, 2003Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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good luck with it regrowth charlie.are you on any medication
 
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andy i use proscar and rogaine and the laser brush !

i feel very good tonight, its like ive finally woken up from the nightmare off losing my hair at 20 !

hope it all works out !!
 
Posts: 50 | Location: australia | Registered: August 22, 2003Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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I am wondering about the density that is going to be achieved with 1100 grafts in that area of the crown. I don't want to sound negative but I am not sure if the cosmetic improvement will be significant; also the patient is quite young, I think?
 
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I hate to sound defeatist here.........but ive seen some patients post similar corn row results on here by unknown doctors and everybody jumps in to slam their work. ........

Quite frankly, and not that I know very much about this, compared to other immediate pre-op crown work I have seen, these results look dreadfully archaic.

Charlie....dont take my view as gospel, hopefully she did something there that will work out and look good in the end, but if not, we all need to pay homage to Dave Joseph..

(in other words I do hope I am completely and utterly wrong about what I feel for your crown)....In any case even if it does turn out bad it can all be corrected and chances are later on in life you would need a second procedure anyway....


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2802 Grafts Dr. jeffrey Epstein 5/1/07
980 ones
1400 twos
422 threes
= 5046 total hairs

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propecia EOD
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oct 15th 08 4000 + graft session booked with Dr. Hasson (counting the days!)
 
Posts: 455 | Location: Tampa Bay, FL | Registered: March 28, 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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The pattern does not look natural more like a what you would see at the seating rows at a stadium. What is the reasoning behind this? I suppose when it is grown out it may turn out ok but agree with the above posters. Compare this crownwork to H&W or Dr Gable's recent work - big difference!
 
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I hope it turns out to be OK, but I don't know. First 1100 grafts are nothing, you need at least 4000 in that area. Second, I don't like the pattern, and since you will mose likely lose the rest, this is the only thing that will be visible.
 
Posts: 365 | Registered: June 17, 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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can falc or pat take a look and make a comment here?????


NWD 6
2802 Grafts Dr. jeffrey Epstein 5/1/07
980 ones
1400 twos
422 threes
= 5046 total hairs

daily regimen...5% rogaine twice a day
propecia EOD
Nizoral 1% daily

oct 15th 08 4000 + graft session booked with Dr. Hasson (counting the days!)
 
Posts: 455 | Location: Tampa Bay, FL | Registered: March 28, 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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wanthairs,davejoseph was given every opportunity to show his "butchering"on this forum and others but never did,so untill he does lets keep focused on charlesb,s proceedure.
i do agree this does look unusual,but i think we need falc or pat to comment.


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approx 10,000 hairs

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Posts: 665 | Location: uk | Registered: May 17, 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post

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charlieb,

I have to be honest....I am not thrilled with what I am seeing - at least, not if this is going to be a stand alone hair transplant.

Though the size of the incisions made appears adequate for standard follicular unit grafting - the grafts are spaced very far apart over a large area which means that there will not be a lot of hair density achieved with this hair transplant.

I have a few questions for you:

1. Is there a reason why you and/or Dr. Martinick did not opt for a larger session?
2. What are your long term hair restoration goals?
3. Did you and she discuss the need for subsequent hair transplant procedures?
4. Did Dr. Martinick describe her game plan with you and what she is trying to accomplish?
5. Was this a strip surgery or FUE?

I also not sure what you mean by hair follicles of varying types (18s and 19s). Follicular unit grafts typically contain 1, 2, 3, or 4 haired grafts.

What jumps out to me the most is that the hair grafts are placed in groups of 2 rows of 3 incisions with large gaps in between each group of rows. This will most likely lead to patchy hair growth with gaps in between each patch of hair.

I have sent a note to Pat, the Publisher of this community so he may evaluate these results as well.

Falc


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Posts: 9199 | Location: PA | Registered: October 02, 2004Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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i am in agreement with the majority here, i would not have gone with such a low no of grafts, in the crown..sorry if this sounds -ve. i think this will not look natural in my opinion when comparing with previous patients blogs & pics with same level of area in crown. but lets hope i am wrong
 
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Falceros,

Thanks for bringing this topic to my attention. I agree that 1126 grafts will provide limited cosmetic value in such a large balding area. In addition, I also have reservations and concerns about the spacing and pattern of the graft placement.

I will be contacting Dr. Martinick immediately to get a full explanation. I will be encouraging her to respond to this topic.

Perhaps she feels that while this pattern does not look natural immediately post op it will when it grows out.

I also will be insisting on seeing a broad range of her immediate post op results if she is to maintain her recommendation on this community.

Thanks for everyones input.

Pat


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jojo1 .....

Are you in any way financially or otherwise linked to the clinic that is the subject of this thread? If so please explain.


NWD 6
2802 Grafts Dr. jeffrey Epstein 5/1/07
980 ones
1400 twos
422 threes
= 5046 total hairs

daily regimen...5% rogaine twice a day
propecia EOD
Nizoral 1% daily

oct 15th 08 4000 + graft session booked with Dr. Hasson (counting the days!)
 
Posts: 455 | Location: Tampa Bay, FL | Registered: March 28, 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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i thought it looked strange
 
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