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can you comment on what you think off my results so far and what an additional 600 will do (keeping in mind i got 1100) and also the amount off time ive had to heal is 8 months do you think this is adequate time

You asked, and basically every answer given by basically every poster has said your doctor is in the wrong on basically every count.

You don't have to like the answers to your inquiries, but don't reflexively decry the very people who have taken the time to give you honest advice....advice that happens to be in YOUR best interest.....

let me ask you this: if the 600 grafts were not free would you still get them?

i give compliments where they are due---im sorry the ressult looks awful, no difference at all.

shoot the doctor

I honestly see no difference in pre-op and 8 months. Sorry.

"overall i think Dr Jen is a great doctor which takes care off her patients best interests"


I remember dr martinick used to have a blatent shill called damo roaming all the boards extolling the virtues of 'dr jen'

I sincerely hope charlie that you're not accepting free grafts in exchange for positive comments like above.


I'll reiterate what everybody else has said....

*** there is no noticeable difference in your preop and 8 month pics
*** A futher 600 grafts is going to make very little difference.

...but if you're genuinely happy then good for you.

josh b iam actually quite happy that i am getting the 600 grafts for free, and dr jen doesnt really have to offer them for me without me even asking for and you really just show how immature and suspicous mind you are by even suggesting i would comment on her to get free grafts , or maybe it makes you feel better to point out the bad points and not really see the good points. let me tell you im in this operation for my best interests and at 32 years off age and having been losing my hair since 21, trying all different things i think i know what works and what doesnt.

at the end of the day im happy that this is happening...ive had comments from my frens and family who actually said i have more hair and they dont know ive had the procedure done, i know for a fact that i look much better now and as you so sarcasticly pointed out thats all that matters.

so your opinion may count to some extent , but it is ultimately the patient that determines if they are happy with the work or not , would you guys agree? ...so let me ask you have there been any people that has actually complained about this doctor and backed it up ? i think not...and how long has this website been running...? are you guys telling me that dr jen has been in the industry for 15 plus years and all this time her reputation has come from doing dodgy work ? come on guys i really expect a panel off ''experts'' to think more laterally and open their minds abit.

first off you slam her for spacing out the follicles in ''corn rows'' but as you can see from the results, that is no longer an issue.

so really the only thing that you can critque now is density, which she is going to top up with 600 grafts

someone said i give credit where it is due so please give her credit that she is going to do this for free..she could off just sent me on my merry way at the 8 month post op cos there is clearly hair growing there.

I stand by the fact that Dr Jen looks after her patients cos ive seen it in my case, from the time ive signed up till now.

I thank you guys for your opinions ill take it under advisement, i admit that HnW do some amazing work as ive seen the pictures as well, but i think the end results after this 600 grafts give me good coverage...examining myself in the mirror , ive work it out if 1100 has given me this much coverage than 600 would surely fill in the gaps.

charlie,
so far you have been unanimously told that the ht work you had done looked suspect (NOT ONE PERSON SAID IT LOOK S GOOD). we didn't expect you to grow actual "cornrows" from it (btw, cornrows was the wrong term which is a braided hairstyle), but it was obvious from the spacing of grafts and placement that you wouldn't get enough density to make a significant cosmetic difference.

Now that the results are coming in it is obvious, to everyone posting here, that we were correct in our suspicions. Judging from your PICS there is very little cosmetic difference. Another 600 grafts might help, but not enough to fill in your entire crown.

Now, if you don't want honest critiques of the work you should never have posted here. No one on this forum has an agenda against you (we don't know you personally). In fact I think we all would rather see nothing but satisfied customers from every doctor. Sadly, that's not always the case. I do not know much about Dr.Martinick except that she is no longer reccomended on this site. And judging from your HT results there is no way I would ever consider her even if she was.

I don't see a link to charlieb's eight month pics. Is it still up?

Guys,

Can I ask you from 1126 grafts how many hairs should I expect?

and from 600 grafts how many hairs ?

let say you are doing the graft procedure above at the place you got your done and saying it was for the crown what would a procedure with those figures give you in hair count?

I just want to see if the number i got a in line with you guys
For 1126 grafts i got about 4000 hairs and from 600 grafts im expecting about 2000 hairs ....is this sounding about rite ? can you try and estimate as accurately as you can based on your experiences.

bobc, those last pics are his 8 months results. you are probably confusd because they look exactly like his pre-op pics (as we've been trying to tell him!).

charlie,
you can take the graft count and double it to get a rough estimate on the # of hairs. however, you must keep in mind that some of the grafts will contain 2-3 follicles and the crown usually gets 2-3 follicle grafts. btw, my crown loss was nowhere near what yours was and i had 1200 grafts put in. search for my name and you'll see the difference in the placement of grafts. i am also at 8 months and you can barely tell my crown is thinning.

Hairthere,

Can you post a link to your gallery, I cant find it on the search !

here you go (scroll down in the link to see immediate post-op pics):

http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2566060861/m/9021009873

btw charlie,
and i say this in all sincerity, no one here is trying to attack you personally or make you feel badly about yourself. losing hair is traumatizing enough: we don't need fellow sufferers attacking us needlessly! especially after going through an expensive surgery that i know has consumed a good part of your life.

after my first ht surgery i wanted to believe i was going to get great results but the reality was my doc used too few grafts as well as mini's and micros in my hairline. he offered me more FREE surgery but i declined and opted to go to a doc who i knew would satisfy my needs. the end result has been amazing so far. you shouldn't just accept your ht as a minor cosmetic improvment or be happy just to have hair growing there. the ht result done by a great doc should give the appearance of no balding.

at any rate, i really do wish the best for you in whatever you decide and keep in mind the other posters here have your best interest at heart, too.

Thanks for your comment Hairthere, Ive added some better pictures off 8 mths ...the angle of the camera really matters when taking pictures...as you can see when the camera is directly next near the forehead i have a very unflattering bald spot....this is the area the doctor said she would fill in with the 600 grafts ...as i tilt back abit to reveal the widows peak area the view looks better.
If you look at the before and after pics you will notice only one before pic was taken without a flash.

Anyway looking forward to having more hair soon !

Charlie,

I don't believe anyone is being negative for the sake of being negative. Instead, they are offering their honest feedback for your own benefit.

It's not that your result looks horrible, it's just that there isn't much of a cosmetic difference, which is what we suspected given the low graft count for such a large balding area. Do you have some hair where there once wasn't any? Yes. But it's very thin looking and will take a lot more than 600 grafts to achieve any level of fullness or density.

In my opinion, the initial call to concern about the placement of the grafts (in groups and spaced far apart) was appropriate since the most of the leading surgeons work toward re-creating the natural crown swirl. Using such a few number of grafts to such a balding area had no chance of giving you the density and coverage that most patients would be satisfied with.

However, if you are happy, that's what's important.

Regarding your question about the number of hairs per graft - the average is about 2.1 or 2.2. The reason why yours is higher is because Dr. Martinick combined a number of the smaller grafts to create larger ones (DFUs).

How you proceed moving forward is your choice and yours alone.

Best wishes,

Falc

For the record, the issue of whether or not "Damo" was/is receiving compensation from Dr. Martinick in any way was addressed some time ago, and Dr. Martinick claims that he was/is not.

If a member of this community has proof that Damo was other than just an over-zealous patient who allowed Dr. Martinick to use his photos for her ad, please come forward with it. Otherwise, let's not spread rumors and stick with the topic at hand of Charlie's procedure.

Thanks,

Falc

Charlie,
The reason you don't have a cornrow look is because your yield was very poor and the caliber of the surviving grafts was thin.

Ironically, had your yield been better, the unnatural distribution of your hair would have been far more noticable upon casual inspection. You were lucky.

What you have to understand is that for every area of skin there is a critical number of grafts required to obtain a cosmetically signficiant improvement.

For the life of me I cannot understand the logic behind the approach to your procedure. I have seen nothing like it either in textbooks or on the internet.

Again, I think you were very lucky you had a poor showing from that transplant.

Actually, his pattern is very similar to what I got in 1991; except I had a pretty good yield. If you look at my crown from my one month pre-op pics you can see the 'rows'. When Dr. Cooley took them out, he commented that "it looked like I had three hairlines in my crown."

Funny thing is, for 10 years I thought I had a pretty good transplant. When you don't know any better, I guess that's what you get.

Doc Feller and others
How many more grafts do you think I would need to have good density ? and how much hair count do you think that is so we are talking in the correct numbers.?

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Originally posted by charlieb:
Doc Feller and others
How many more grafts do you think I would need to have good density ? and how much hair count do you think that is so we are talking in the correct numbers.?

Personally, I think it does look better than it did preop. But, like Dr. Feller said, you didn't have a great yield.

IMO, 2500 grafts (about 6-7k hairs) would look good for you. Like the others have said, save up some money until you can go to Feller, Wong, Cooley, Lindsey, Carmen, et al.

You still look ok and you say you're happy. Don't take her up on the free 600, because that session will further limit what you'll be able to do in the future.

Charlie,

I believe 600 grafts will do exactly nothing for you.

I would suggest 3,000 grafts in the front half of the crown alone. When I get to the office tomorrow I'll post a similar patient on whom I did just that.

Dr. F