I agree that we dont know all the facts:

Was Pat respectful in calling him a poison?

My guess was these two were disrespectful to each other in their pm's. I doubt it was just a one way street.

I am sad hey could not come to an agreement and it seems Pat has dug in. NG, crazy posts and all had his heart in the right place and was helpful to newbies, he did his research. Even though he never had a HT, he educated himself on his forum and probably others like it.

My big point is the disrespect shown towards veteraan posters who are non-paid and put in hours to contribute to the site, that is all.

This is/was a patient based forum, shouldn't a perspective patient here from all sides before choosing the right surgeon for them? If they are to rely soley on advice from paid posters, mods or newbies are they really getting all the unbiased info?? JMO

That is the big picture for me here, not just about one poster.


One reason I took down my album is to also show that I am unbiased and unpaid, I am on the patients side always.

I hope Falc and Pat understand this.

thanatopsis_awry,

You said in another thread:

quote:

You clearly don't understand that NG2's expulsion is indicative of a much larger issue to many...

Yet, your last post was entirely about notgoing2gobald.

We are all going to have different opinions on the matter and doubtfully will convince each other to agree on one.

Therefore, I see no reason to continue to debate about whether or not everyone agrees or disagrees with his suspension.

What I do find relevant however, is whether or not YOU the patient members will decide to base your entire and continued involvement in this community based on ONE member's suspension. This is a decision that YOU have to make.

Cheers,

Falc

nobuzzz,

I think you are confusing quantity with quality. And what exactly do you call a "veteran poster"?

Notgoing2gobald's time here was limited though clearly he did spend a number of hours on the forum. But if you look at the majority of posts, they are filled with nonsense rather than helpful information. Does this make him a veteran?

Personally, I liked the fellow. I think he added an interesting twist on humor however, I had mixed emotions about him from the beginning. This has led private messages where I had to address him on what most people would find logical like not making statements that could offend our female members and guests, a few racial remarks that could easily be found offensive, and staying on topic when he often insisted on taking threads on a nonsensical bunny trail - making it more difficult for our members and guests to find the information they are looking for.

I don't see anywhere that Pat disrespected the "veteran" members of this community - so perhaps you could enlighten me. Pat did lash back out at "Jupiter" a newer member who used foul language instead of indulging in a logical debate - but other than that, I see an explanation for his actions, whether or not you agree.

I personally find the fact that you are punishing the online patient community by taking down your photo album because you disagree with Pat upsetting. How that shows you are unbiased, I have no idea. You are hurting the patients more than Pat.

Regards,

Falc

Falc,

In the other thread I was just answering the poster's disbelief in why so many people where being so vocal; which is because many simply like NG2 and feel he is an asset, but also, as some have stated in this thread and the others, they feel it is about a larger issue as well surrounding people being able to express their opinions.

Personally, I really don't really feel threatened about my speach and posting on the forum; I believe that NG2's expulsion was principally based off of heated words between he and Pat in private correspondence, and that as zany as NG2 was in the open forums, he is not getting the "death penalty" over those postings, specifically.

I'm sympathetic with those who feel NG2's exit is a symptom of a much larger problem -- I myself haven't thought that through enough, but I see how they could be concerned, and it is certaintly something has crossed my mind as well. Listening to some veteran posters, this is clearly a concern of theirs, and is definitely why there has been such an uproar. It hasn't just been about NG2 and NG2 alone for some.

I agree though that there is no reason to continue this debate, and each member will have to make a decision as to whether NG2's suspension is worth leaving, based off of this judgement.

To be honest, I spend waaaay too much time on here anyway, and I usually skipped over NGTGB's posts for the most part.

Now, if I was home and nobody was there and I was killing time, I'd read the shorter ones. But, you know I like humor and all but I'd think some of us are (or should be, self included,) too busy making a living, raising our kids, living our lives to read a bunch of gobble de gook humor on a hairloss forum.

My wife thinks I'm an idiot anyway, she'd freak out if she knew I spent time reading that sort of stuff.

I do like to share what I've learned with newbies, but for their sake not the forum's sake.

I have already said how heavily moderated this forum is, it wont be long before this topic is locked too!

Guys!

Aren't we missing the point here? What is the purpose of this forum? After being here for just over a week I have gained so much knowledge. I din even know that FUE existed! I am not for or against anyone but just think that this whole process has been blown out of proportion!

Whatever it is, Pat & N2G2B should talk & figure it out. Also, I have better things to worry about in life like my hair which does not want to stay on my head! Maybe most of the protesters have already had a HT & are pretty satisfied with the way they look but I bet majority on this forum are not! So, guys please stop this cold war & let Pat & N2G2B talk it out.

Also, the "veteran" posters should consider helping out us "newbies" rather than protesting for their right to speech. Neither the forum nor its members need any personal vendetta!

Anyways, guys, please calm down & look at the broader picture? ( Hair Transplantation)

HERE,HERE.

I have not posted for some time, however I believe Pat to be honest and even handed. At one time I had a problem with posting and a possible ban however Pat was very fair in my situation and we resolved the problem. I want to thank all the posters new and old for all the help they gave me and will give to others. Let's put this behind us and get back to the business of helping people.

The expressing of opinions and any words exchanged aside.
I think one of the problems here is that a lot of folk have a genuine like for ng2gb. And as such are going to miss his posting.
The guy is a obvious character and i for one hope the fella does not spend 2 much time in exile.

I've been a supporter of this site for a long time now and have found that by and large we've had the ability to let bygones be bygones and realize what we're here for.........to help those suffering with hair loss.

As IH mentioned, and how true, isn't this site bigger than one poster?? C'mon guys...........I would agree with you if there was a pattern of systematically banning those who don't agree with Pat, Falc or other veteran members here, but that's simply not the case.

Have there been instances where if it was my site I may have approached a situation differently than Pat or Falc?? You bet! However, at the end of the day, I believe I'm pretty much on the same page with them as to the intent of the site and the value it provides.

NN and Nobuzz............guys, I've known/posted with you a long time and consider you friends......please, we've all done a world of good for many balding (and formerly balding) types and learned a great deal ourselves. Let's put this past us. It just isn't always going to work out the way we want it to but at the end of the day.....in the words of my brother Spex...."it's all good"...right???

If NG2GB has an issue with Pat, or Pat with him, let it rest there and let them work it out. It's Pat's site and really his call to make. As I mentioned, we may not agree with them all, but, more then once I've seen Pat hold HT surgeons accountable when I was thinking "well, let's give him another chance".............my point being Pat is completely about providing honest and unbiased information to those searching for their own benefit.

Please........let's put this behind us. I've known Pat to be a reasonable and fair person. If NG2GB, in this case, wants back on the board, he'll take the necessary steps to get back on. It sounds like it was more the manner in which he chose to communicate with Pat rather than what he said..........but I didnt' see the PM so who knows.

Okay..........that's my $.02! Before you take aim and fire at me or my post, remember, I'm a recovering bald guy too so have mercy!

just get over it. its quite simple, pat doesn't need us to keep his site up. i can tell u im not hear giving people bullshit advice and i know many arent, why let one asshole ruin everything? this forum does more good than bad.

Dear forum members,

One thing I find interesting is how a few members can say how "heavily moderated" this forum is yet, I'd like to ask you how long you think a "boycott" thread would last on another forum?

In the interest of free speech and non-censorship, allowing you to express your opinions and concerns, I have kept this thread open.

Feel free to express your opinion if you want to, but it's time for me to call people's bluffs about "boycotting".

Those who have every intention of leaving, please state your intention and I'll be happy to show you the door. Those who have a heart to help the balding men and women of this community looking for real solutions - let's work together toward this goal.

Falc

as with every organisation that we fined ourselfs involved with throughout our lives, be it work,school, social or religious, there will be rules, codes of conduct, regulations etc.
We all have the right to stay with the programme or to move to another format.
The pros and cons must be weighed up and we decide if the benifits of staying outweigh the the desire to be outside the norms of any group.
IH

pat could have just cut the guy off and not told the community it was done. yet he did, which shows integrity, imo. none of us know what was exchanged in the pms--it probably got real ugly. anyway, boycotting a forum over this is uneccessary.

Look at the big picture: this is the "Hair Restoration Forum." That's what the topics should cover, the members should discuss, and the inevitable goal should be.
NG2 was a loose cannon who did not contribute anything to the good of the order. Let him go, let it go, get lives!!

Maybe you could take his place and contribute more then 95 posts in a year.I think he had a thousand by then. Yes he was a loose canon at times but helped alot of people in his own silly way.

"beachair", since you seem so quick to judge not just NG2 but also veteran members of this forum, you should filter your words through this lens, and see how that relfects upon yourself: NG2 comforted more people in need; posed more salient questions; and brought more humor to an otherwise depressive people in a single hour than you have done in a year, and most likely more than you will do in the next two.

thanatopsis_awry,

I find it disappointing that you feel entitled to express your opinion but won't allow beachair his.

For someone so bent on making sure you have your say, I'd suggest letting others have theirs.

Falc

I have not read every post on this thread, but would like to state my opinion. First of all I like NG2GB very much. I might not always agree with his posts but he is a good person.

Hair transplantation / Hairloss is a very serious subject. The emotions when losing ones hair are DEVESTATING not to mention those feelings associated with being butchered.
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THERE ARE PEOPLE ON HERE WHO CLAIM THEY ARE SUICIDAL for god's sake!!

Expressing ones opinion is one thing but making off handed comments (or jokes which also happend) is another

This does not mean we cannot express our opinion but it si important to be objective and repsectful.Accusations or comments can really cause damage to a good doc.

Common sense is something people need to demonstate. Put yourself in someone elses shoes , more specifically, the poster who is depressesed, obssessive compulsive, or miserable.. You see this on about 50% of the new posters. Also, look at docs who mean good and are slammed by a poster who might be a bit premature, or unrealstic in their comments or judgements.

I think Pat & Bill run a good Forum and you cannot please everyone. No doubt in my mind, they have been fair and just.. We have to be respectful and objective.. Opinions are one thing but making off handed commments are another. We need to back our comments with data, experience, or some type of evidence

Take time to think, "is this right"? while putting you personal feelings aside

For the record, I know NG2GB means well and cares about helping people. Sometimes I need to bite my tongue on subjects where I am a bit passionate about as well.

I am not paid in any way, shape, or form..

What I AM is someone who cares about those who are losing their hair.. It sucks and I want to help them feel better like I do