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Originally posted by PLEASE GROW PLEASE:
WebMD) Vitamin E hasn't proven to be good for the heart, and now a study suggests that too much vitamin E — daily doses of 400 IU or more — actually increases the risk of dying, according to new findings

Okay, did you not read my previous post?

This is not your normal vitamin E supplement. Normally a vitamin E supplement has only one type of vitamin E, alpha-tocopherol I believe. Toco-8 has all 8 kinds of it. There are two subdivisions of the types of vitamin E. Tocopherols and Tocotrienols. Tocotrienols are pretty scant in western diets. Read the product description to get a better understanding.

Also I don't understand why there has to be such pessimism towards new treatments in this thread. Rogaine came out in the 80s, and propecia came out in the 90s. The way I see it we're almost overdue for something groundbreaking to come out this decade.

Not only that but RU58841 is still available from the online chinese research chemicals supplier, and if you actually know what you're doing it is actually more effective than finasteride as an anti-androgen and it is topical so no side effects at all. The only problem, it seems, with this chemical is that it happens to be in financial limbo.

Also neosil has just released a press statement on the fourth of this month at http://www.neosil.com and they do say that "results are encouraging".

As for the cancer analogy, yes it is true that a lot of money and effort is being invested towards cancer research and the cure may still be far away, but great amounts of progress have been made in that field. Would you not think that cancer treatments now are better than cancer treatments from 10 years ago? Some of the stuff they're researching for cancer might even translate into hair loss, such as the research going into the possibility of changing DNA within the cellular level. There is some really exciting scientific research that is going on nowadays.

I hate to say it but a good number of people on this forum are like sheep not willing to think outside of the box, and to top it off they also talk out of their asses.

PS: I think I'll order a batch of toco-8 more for the testosterone boosting and cardiovascular benefits than the hair loss benefits, but if I feel that I notice it helping anything I will reply, and if I feel the product to not live up to the description I will also make a post.

well then,
if you find a cure for baldness let us know.

cancer treatments: I don't consider radiation treatment (basically fu$king nuking the person) until the cancer is in remission, then pops back up again in a year an improvement.

a close relative of mine died from cancer. there were all kinds of bull shit ads appealing to one's desperate desire to extend their life and even be cured. these 'clinics' offered vitamins, juices and other bull $hit concoctions that they claimed 'cured cancer'...total hippie bull$hit.
by the way they were mainly operating in Third World Countries.

Much the same, I think other explanations for the cause of baldness (i.e. poor diet, smoking, drinking, generally unhealthy) are appealing to people because it makes them feel "in control".
they say: 'hey, I can quit this stuff and take control of my hairloss"...then people try and sell them vitamins, herbs, oils, and ointments consistent with this new found 'cause' for baldness in an attempt to cure it. This only adds insult to injury because your giving the suffering individual (just like in the cancer analogy) an inflated and completely FALSE hope!!!

thinking outside the box: if NOTHING has been proven to completely stop baldness (i.e. vitamin E oil, etc. etc)
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ALL scientific evidence points to:
genetic predisposition-->DHT-->miniturized follicles-->baldness;
then I consider all other explanations and anecdotes as desperate, ill-informed, naive, and wishful thinking.

thats just me though.

by the way, the fact that propecia has been the first and only significant hair loss drug (don't consider rogaine one) to come out in the past 18 years substantiates the claim that something "ground breaking" may not be near; now or maybe even ever.
don't you think men have always hated being bald and they have been throwing bucko-bucks at this research for the past 18 years as well?
they may never find a cure for baldness, cancer, or aids.

Deadly snake oil Let us know how it works for you ? You would think if it was so good EVERYBODY would hear about it ,but nobody has .Yes I did read your previous post ,and if it has ONE of the alpha-tocopherol in it web md says its dangerous, maybe x8 now. Like I said give it a try for 6 months and if your still alive let us know

Matt,

I'm with you and am going to give this stuff a shot. Worst it can do is not work.

The Neosil announcement was from january of last year, though. Hopefully they have something soon.

NG2GB, while I believe that DHT plays a role, they thought for years that only DHT was responsible for BPH, and now it's looking like estrogens are involved, too.

You just never know.

Seriously I appreciate you guys trying this stuff. You never know . Ive saved thousands of dollars from guys trying stuff Most recently keracyte, I hope it helps you guys and I can finally buy something besides ths BIG 3 that actually works

No problem and I'll do the same thing Matt is.

I'll post results. I ordered my first bottle yesterday and got shipping confirmation.

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Google up dermacrine and go to the site and look at the product called toco-8. This is not a snake oil company and they have a pretty good reputation at anabolicminds.com...

I did that- and I just placed an order today.

Thanks for the info, Matt.

Ordered a batch.

I'd love to hear feedback from a PHD, especially a coalition doctor for tha matter. I hope this stuff is legit! If not add it to the list of garbage.. I'll be praying for you guys ( i'm not religious but for hair I am haha)

Oh hey, if anyone does decide to go ahead and order it you can type in the coupon code of MVC10 and save 10 bucks.

I just found that out cruising the old bodybuilding forums...

I just got my Toco-8 and tried it mixed with some water. Not much taste. That's a good thing.

Hey Matt Skiba #2 you need to share your wealth of hair knowledge with all 3 members of alkaline trio.They all have terrible hair

Anybody else here taking their Toco-8 twice a day like I am?

I have mine, but I have yet to start; my goal is begin usage on Monday.

I've been using this (2X a day) for about a month now and I "think" that my hairloss has increased a little- but I know that that's probably a good sign and I'm gonna keep taking it.

I think it might be important to state that if you're taking a normal multi-vitamin the d-alpha tocopherol form of vitamin E in it might block the tocotrienol forms of vitamin E found in toco-8

Also I have read people stating that a sesamin oil supplement might possibly improve the bio-availability and absorption of tocotrienols.

I've been taking the supplement irregularly, generally whenever I have a protein shake so it's something like once every other day, on top of that I already use dr. lee's xandrox minoxidil so I can't say if it does anything for my hair or not, hell as of recently I am actually perfectly content with the head of hair I have, especially now that it's really starting to grow out over my head, as long as I keep my hair long there is absolutely no sign of recession or thinning whatsoever. I just hope it stays like this for the rest of my 20s.

Toco-8 is also supposed to take something like at least 5 months to see any results, much like any other hair loss product.

Gangster, tell me have you actually noticed any positive impact on libido or more energy or any other sort of health benefit since you've been taking the stuff?

Good luck!

I haven't been on the site for a while but reading this thread I note a bunch of newer members. This all sounds like total poppycock to me. A patent doesn't give credibility, merely legal protection. Its too easy to have one guy create a number of aliases and then posting to himself to make it seem like he is promoting a legitimate product. This board has always been better than that and should beware this garbage posting imho.

I assure you that I do not work for any company or have any sort of agenda whatsoever, I can also assure you that I am not making extra aliases and I do have a bit of a history on this forum.

If you've noticed, most people who have replied to this thread have at least 20 or so unrelated posts to them, the guy with the lowest post count actually posted something negative towards what I was saying. Also keep in mind, I've never completely urged people to buy the product, and I never even said that I'm 100% sure it works. The stuff is very new, so no one can really know whether the stuff works or not for sure yet, I just thought it might be interesting to find out.

I for one would never take up the job of spending the time to make alternate aliases and then going as far as to make legitimate unrelated posts to boost the seeming credibility of my posts, I believe that my time is worth more than that.

I am not trying to promote anything, I'm just trying to make people aware that such products are being marketed, look at the wikipedia article on tocotrienols:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocotrienol

It doesn't seem totally illegitimate to me.

I have also read on other hair loss forums that a combination of resveratrol and curcumin could have possible benefits.

In the end though, I don't really care what you think of my posts, each to his own.

Really? Damn. My multi has "d-Alpha Tocopheryl Succinate/Acetate" in it. You think that could be a problem?

I take a lot of supplements (fish oil, BCAAs, Polyphenols, protein powders, fat burner, greens...) so it's hard to tell what does what.

I'm just hoping to see some new hair growth in about 4 more months!

Thanks for the reply and thanks for letting us know about Toco. At the very least it looks like a pretty powerful anti-oxidant. So don't sweat the haters.

Save it Matt. I don't know why you are being allowed to promote your scam product on this board but if I were moderator, you and this thread would be gone.