well, regardless of what Dr. Feller or anyone else says, I belive the Hairmax lasercomb is the best thing ever.

Of course, I also believe in faries, pixies, angels, politicians, mythology, religion etc

LOL wanthairs!

Falc,
I believe Jotronic did a great job exposing the disingenuousness of the female photo you linked to. I'll take on the rest.

I checked out the FDA 510k and believe that the omission of proof of efficacy is clear. Furthermore, I saw that they cited 4 studies that were performed BY THEMSELVES. I wonder how much stock the clinicians were given to perform the "studies".
Also, you may notice that the STANDARD by which these clinicians gauged the success of the product is not articulated. My bottom line is that if you need a microscope to claim success, then you don't really have a success at all.

So far, without hype,disingneuousness, and heavy marketing laser hair products wouldn't be given a second glance.

On Dr. Bauman's link to flikr all you see is a hodge-podge of patients who have combinations of hair transplants, propecia, and maybe some "laser treatment". Where are the PURE laser treated patients? Why is the hair in the before photos wet down and then dry in the after photos?

But Dr. Bauman is not the only doctor engaging in this purposful confussion. Hair Max laser comb is even more bold in their photo presentations.

I pulled just the first two patient exapmples right off of hairmax's own website. There is no information giving any detail as to what medications these patients may be on nor does it say how long they used the laser comb IF AT ALL!!!

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Dr. Feller,

I know that the laser is not going to effect your business in the slightest. If it has any efficacy at all it likely is just placebo and produces very little.

We have seen some remarkable results of using light therapy for pain management and inflammation at our offices. Readily again I will admit that it might be placebo, but people do seem to feel better. I'm not just talking 1 or 2 people either. We've used them hundreds of times successfully. Who knows?

The only thing that I do argue with Dr. Feller about is that nothing is happening. I truly believe that there is a transfer of energy and whether it is just the heat emitted or what, it has an effect. Grow hair???--Likely not. That is why so many of us seek out skilled guys like Dr. Feller.



NN

Joe and Dr. Feller - Great rebuttals and I agree with both of you!

NN - very true - there is clearly a transfer of energy - but will that transfer regrow hair? As you said - most likely not!

Dr. Bauman...

You are on!

I hope other patient members will share their feedback as well to this valuable discussion.

Falc

P.S. I will be including this thread in this weeks forum newsletter in order to facilitate further discussion. If Dr. Bauman isn't aware of this thread before then, he will be after I send it out on Sunday.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NervousNelly:
Dr. Feller,

I know that the laser is not going to effect your business in the slightest.



NN,

I disagree with this statement, Dr Feller is in fact, losing an opportunity to increase his bottom line by NOT offering this laser "service".

It is commendable of him or any other HT surgeon to refuse to offer it IMO.

I know you meant his HT side of his business but many clinics will start to see the $$$$$$ of laser therapy and offer it. I personnaly would not go to or recommend any HT surgeon who delves into this practice. It would mean they would be more concerned with their bottom line than the top of my head.

Minox and propecia has not put any HT surgeons out of business and I do not think lasers are have them worried either.

NoBuzz,

I'm in agreement with you. You're right, I was referring to his HT side of the business. I also commend Dr. Feller for not going after the money if he beleives that the lasers are useless.

Nervous,
Putting more "energy" into the cell would not stimulate it to grow better hair. If anything the opposite would be true. Hair doesn't fall out because the "energy level" of the follicle is falling due to age or "rotting". It falls out because the cells of the follicle were programmed to die. The process of hair loss requires energy to occur. Therefore, putting MORE energy into the system would either do nothing or simply hasten the hair loss effect.

And just so we are clear, i don't buy that lasers can "energize" cells!

I look forward to Dr. Bauman's input or that of any of the laser therapy industry's representatives. Interesting how none of them has chimmed in by now don't you think?

Dr. Feller

hang on....

dont dentists use a particular type of laser for fast curing white fillings?

im sure its not a "dentmax" laser rubbish comb type of thing....

It's interesting that some people on these forums will spend several hundred dollars a year for propecia, minoxidil, etc and not really be sure how effective those are on their own hair, and even be wondering what the long term effects are and complaining about loss of libido, yet they refuse to spend $129 to try something that has no bad side effects.

Here are some links to testamonials and proof:
http://www.amazinglasercomb.com/test1.htm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kJ0AaoVttO4&mode=related&search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F_K_P7CG5MU

BeHappy,
One must prove an "effect" before worrying about side-effects.

Your links are testimonials, but they are NOT proof. Not even close. Let's discuss:

1. Your first link contained written "tesitmonials" from anonymous authors to what I imagine is a laser product distributor. Hmmm, no way that could have been faked, huh??? How convenient that there is no way to verify the people or the statements. I think it is amazing that there wasn't even one negative letter. Not one. Pretty weak.

2. Your second link was a News bit about the man of the hour, Dr. Bauman himself. How do you think the news network came to know about Dr. Bauman and his magical lasers? I'll give you a hint, someone's public relations employee called the News station. Want to bet it wasn't a group of incredibly happy and satisfied laser customers? As usual, no true evidence was given during the "story", just happy happy people making the same old hair jokes and spouting the same old platitudes.

3. My favorite was the third link that is supposed represent PROOF of the efficacy of laser light. Who is the very first person to "testify"? Why, it's Matt Leavit! A man who (would you believe it) has a financial interest in "laser therapy"! He is also a man in possesion of a head of hair that would make a lion think about using a laser comb.

The next speaker was...an unknown woman in business attire. No before photos of course, just her good word that in some nebulous way she benefitted from the magical laser comb.

Next was a cute blonde who said basically the same thing the business chick said, only she sprung on us that she was a Registered Nurse at the end of her segment. In case you're not sure, that was designed to give some sort of medical credibility to laser therapy, and oh...NO before photos-as per usual.

The next guy was my absolute favorite: This guy has tried "everything"...his words...and the laser comb was the one that did the trick. Then a "BEFORE" photo is shown which shows really thin hair and then an impressive "AFTER" photo is shown that shows an impressive amount of hair. But don't get your checkbooks out yet ladies and gentlemen, because if you look at the photos closely there is quite a bit of deception involved. The BEFORE photo is a close up of the tip of what's left of his hairline. The AFTER photo is pulled back and shows a much greater area that ALREADY had hair in it! If you look at the tip of his hairline in the after photo you will see that there is no cosmetically significant improvement at all!

The last testimonial is from a journalist who was asked by HairMax's director to write an article. Sure, she is unbiased...right!

Behappy, can't you do better than this???

Perhaps Dr. Bauman can do better?

Cheers to Dr Feller

I commend his passion for standing up to the false claims of this product.. As I stated before, 90% of the top docs on here share his stance as I do..

It just doesn't have the proof to convince me of the effectiviness.

hey guys, listen to it if you have not already

http://www.hairtransplantadviser.org/blog/category/the-bald-truth-xm152/

MrJB,
Thanks, but the truth is 90% of the doctors do NOT support our position that laser therapy is a waste. In fact a few even sell it.

Ahh yes,

But as mentioned "The top docs" in my opinion..
Hey, it's their head and money. I'd rather spend that 500 bucks on some nice clothes or stereo equipment.

I see this thread has lost traction.

Dr. Bauman?

i have to add, although not pertinent, that I saw a news sketch on youtube showing several of Dr. bauers hair transplant patients, including one fo the presenters. The other two guys had AWFUL results in my honest opinion. Now, obviously I dont know how long they were into it or how many grafts or any other factors either........but just thought I would add some traction......

i spelt his name wrong,......Dr. Bauman, not Dr. Bauer

here is the link....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yokKYvbnktM