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Dr. Feller,

This sentence is very misleading since hair transplantation is indeed not a cure for hair loss.

There are certanily MANY misleading statements in hair transplantation, but saying HT is a CURE for baldness ISN'T one of them. It may be BOLD, but it also has the benefit of being TRUE- a claim no laser manufacturer (nor user) can demonstrably match.

A hair transplant cures baldness in the same way a filling "cures" a cavity; or stitches "cure" an open wound. That is, one or few procedures will result in a permenant change in the physilogy of the area under discussion without continuous or even periodic attention.

Baldness is not a pathological condition, and as such needs no "cure". However, if people are going to elevate the DESIRE for hair to the point where they liken it to a disease state, then hair transplantation is most certainly and unequivocally THE cure.

Propecia and Rogain may rightfully be called hair loss "treatments" because their application must be continuous to have efficacy.But atleast they can claim cosmetically signficiant efficacy to a reasonable degree.

Magical lasers, vitamins, shampoos, and chanting are bogus "treatments" whose unethical "pushers" must resort to deception and misdirection each and everytime they are called on the carpet to show either efficacy or a mechanism of action.

Dr. Feller,

I think we can all agree that balding is a lot different than a cavity.

Calling hair transplantation a "cure" for hair loss is inaccurate. There are two dangerous implications one can make from this.

1. The first is that hair transplantation stops hair loss from progressing, but this is not true. The reality is, hair transplantation does nothing to stop male pattern baldness and it will continue to progress as dictated by his/her genetics. One can fill in balding areas with transplanted hair but subsequent procedures may be needed as hair loss progresses.

2. The second dangerous implication behind such a statement is that hair transplantation can restore a "full head of hair", which is especially untrue on those with high degrees of balding. Quite possibly full "coverage" or an "illusion" of density can be achieved, but, the old days of a thick mane like in high school (or junior high for some) are long gone.

In my opinion, hair transplantation is more rightfully called a surgical "treatment" or "procedure", not a "cure".

Cheers,

Falc

That statement about a cure was just tongue in cheek. Im quite sure Dr Feller was just being a little sarcastic. Its not a cure for hairloss but it is for baldness . Plus it also cured me of my low self esteem, and psychosis so it is a cure in some ways.

dr feller i have a question for you..how educated are the former hair dressers that now work in the hair transplant industry? these are the ones that install the grafts.

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Originally posted by PLEASE GROW PLEASE:
That statement about a cure was just tongue in cheek. Im quite sure Dr Feller was just being a little sarcastic. Its not a cure for hairloss but it is for baldness . Plus it also cured me of my low self esteem, and psychosis so it is a cure in some ways.

Well a HT didn't cure me. I went to a so-called hairloss specialist who said I had "an excessive hairloss disease" and a hair transplant would cure it. I ended up going to 8 different Drs. 3 of them did work on me. 2 turned me down completely. 2 were willing to do very minor work to try to create a part, but both said it's probably not in my best interest to even do that as it would just make the visible scarring worse and probably wasn't a good idea to make a new scar for so little work.

I ended up much worse than I started. I would not have any scars on my head if I didn't have a HT. So now I am bald with scars instead of just bald.

After going through that I didn't come on here telling every Dr and member here that HTs don't work and they are all lying and full of crap.

What I did do is try something that I thought might help me get a little bit of growth or thicken some wispy miniaturized hairs and said I'd let the forum know if it works for me.

I try it for a few months and get a bit of growth and simply because I say it's working for me I get Dr Feller saying I'm lying unless I can show HIM proof. Who is he that he needs proof that something works for me!?

On top of that he says the cure to my problem is a hair transplant. So tell me, how would you feel?

Sorry to hear youve been through alot of bs but the difference is there is tons of proof that hair transplant work and hardly any that lasers for hair do anything. Believe me I wish they worked but if they do the % of people they help is almost zero.
Just "be happy" your one of the guys that benefited from it.

The honest to God truth is that there is no demonstrable proof to the claim that laser therapy indeeds stimulate hair growth.

It may in some patients help existing hair but to seriously suggest that laser stimulates new growth is not a credible assertion to make, without some definitive photographic proof of regrowth. Any pictures that show "new growth" on the part of those selling a product are probably bogus

I dont think its something that necessarily has no benefits. It might even stimulate growth, but the fact is it cannot be proven so such claims are dubious, if not outright inaccurate.

To spend any $$$ on such treatment at any medical clinic is truly unethical on the part of whomever would charge for this service.

I cannot believe the length of this thread..

Don't you think if this product actually worked people from all over the world would be ranting and raving about it ???

It is joke and all of the top notch docs agree.

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It is joke and all of the top notch docs agree.

MrJobi, actually, not all top physicians agree. I have talked to a few Coalition doctors who believe it may have some marginal benefit for fighting hair loss. I think this is one reason why this topic is so hot! The ones whom I've talked to however, do not promote it as if it was a miracle cure, but believe that it's just one more treatment that can be used with the potential of some benefit.

As for me, my stance hasn't changed on the issue because I haven't seen enough proof.

Falc

First time reading, first time posting on this "laser" subject and regardless of the fact I am associated with Dr Feller - here is my opinion and experience in brief with "laser treatment".

I spent 2 years receiving intensive laser hood treatment with AHS pre any HT surgery at the cost of £4000 ($8000) I ended up with less hair than I started with.

There is all the proof i need.

Dr. Feller, a HT is NOT a cure by any means.

Most people's donor hair thins with age, and some, like my grandfather, lose all their donor hair by the age of 65.

Moreover, the place where you move the HT donor hair to will thin even if you take Propecia (which, by the way, you were against at one time), so at best, a HT will give most NW5's 10 years of being a NW3, or give most NW3's 10 years of being a NW1 or something to that effect.

Please don't make overzealous overconfident statements all the time as there aren't many women to try to impress here.

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Please don't make overzealous overconfident statements all the time as there aren't many women to try to impress here

You mean like you just did
I agree its not a cure but a solution

Interesting views......

Good Hair Days

Every product in that link you provided is a scam. Damn every single one.

Tembo,
Don't get all caught up in semantics; and maybe think about tuning down the personal references.

An HT is as much a "cure" for an "aliment" (if you want to call bald skin a disease state) as a cast is for a broken arm; or a dental filling is for a cavity. Is that really so hard to accept?

Sure, nothing is 100% and nothing lasts for "life", but an HT is about as close to a "cure" as humanity has ever produced for anything. Your refrences to aging and thinning in other areas has nothing to do with my statement and does not detract from the crediblity of it.

But lets not take the thread off track. It's about the bogus "treatment" of hair loss through laser light and how it's greatest proponents have failed to support their wild claim.

This thread is about as long as I've ever seen one get, and STILL not ONE proponent has provided us with consistent and varifiable proof. That includes the ethically challenged doctors who SELL LLLT to a lay public for thousands of dollars, and the educationally challenged manufacturers of the product itself.

I sincerely hope this thread, though blunt, exposed the mysticism, psuedo-science, and self-serving hype created by LLLT proponents and has saved the average reader of this site from hanging their hopes and spending their money on pure garbage.

And for those of you who absolutely MUST try LLLT, just go to the local toy store and buy a laser pointer and rub it on your scalp. It's the exact same "active ingredient" as $500 laser devices and magical laser hoods. This way it will just cost you LESS to realize LLLT doesn't really work and then you can give it to your kids to play with.

Dr. Feller

I agree with you Doc. Funny Tembo would think this is a place a rich doctor from New York would come to impress women.

Yep. That's why I'm here as well. LOL.

In other words its a scam

Dr. Feller,

Though this is off the beaten path from the original topic, you are really stretching the word "cure" here to defend your original and misleading statement. Newer members or guests only just starting to educate themselves may be confused by your wrongful use of the word.

The word "cure" can be defined as a restoration of health. This implies that an ailment not only discontinues but is reversed.

A cast in itself does not cure a broken arm by restoring it. It only immobilizes and protects the arm so it can heal properly on it's own. The "cure" is the body's internal healing process.

A filling doesn't "cure" a cavity but restoring the missing piece of tooth, it simply fills the void with something artificial. There is no "cure" for a cavity.

Hair transplantation does nothing to stop and reverse hair loss - thus it is not a "cure". It is a surgical procedure to help cover our baldness with real growing hair from other areas of the scalp. The natural progression of hair loss is in no way impacted by surgery - thus the reason why finasteride is still highly recommended by physicians to complement their hair transplant.

And now, back to lasers!

Falc

wow!!!! ok it took me at least 25-35 min to read everybody's comment and I gatta say that I understand why Dr.Feller is kinda strong on his position.

The people that claim the laser works simply fail to provide the basic proof to their claim.

I am very pissed off because I used HairMax Laser comb and it never worked,if it did I wouldn't get the HT I got on March 13!!!!
who is ganna pay my money back !

IF LASER DID REALLY WORK AND DID GROW HAIR,IT SHOULD HAVE REALLY REPLACED PROPECIA AND MINOXODIL AND HT BY NOW !!!

I can totally relate to Dr.Feller for being very strong on his words because the guy can clearly see how these people would do anything to make money !!!

I believe in debate and open discussion but I believe in drawing the line at some point:

THIS TOY DOES NOT WORK !!!

It has been given enough time,and they have made enough money off it,it's time to put a stop to it.

I SAW how propecia slowed doesn my hairloss over time and how Rogaine grew some hair (mostly baby hairs) on my hairline !!!

But I never saw any difference using the comb and I was dumb enough to try the comb first instead of using the FDA approved drugs.

I found the comment by "16inchscar" to be the most interesting one.I always wondered about that too !!!

what makes these people qualified to do such an important task of the HT?

Perhaps if would be great if Falc could be kind and open a new disucssion for that.