Of the two people who "installed" my grafts, as 16inchscar said; one of them had a M.D. and the other lead tech was pretty damn smart sounding and looking.

I doubt she came from a hair salon. Maybe in some places, but I would say that Dr. Cooley carefully trained someone with a "nursing" background rather than a hairdresser's background.

Nothing against hairdressers, but there might be a few out there but I doubt that's a field any great number come out of.

Well the "doctor" who did most of the work on me turned out to not be a Dr which he admitted to me 5 years afterwards, so who knows what background any of the techs had.

"Though this is off the beaten path from the original topic, you are really stretching the word "cure" here to defend your original and misleading statement. Newer members or guests only just starting to educate themselves may be confused by your wrongful use of the word."

Falceros,
I don't know why you keep insisting that I am "misleading" people with my statement that HT is a cure for baldness. It simply IS. Your statements to the contrary are YOUR OPINION and your definition of "cure" is your own.

In the real world of medicine, when a physiological problem has been treated to the point of finality it is effectively CURED. If you have a lung infection, and you take antibiotics that resolve it, the infection is CURED. How many more analogies must I make?

Bald skin suffers from only one "aliment" and that is the lack of hair. When the hair is permenentely replaced (as in hair transplants) the problem is CURED.

Dr. Feller,

I don't intend to say that you are intentionally misleading people, but the statements you are making are misleading themselves.

With all due respect, it is highly dangerous to use the word "cure" in the same sentence as "hair loss". If you want to say that hair transplant surgery is a cure for the present effects of hair loss - ok - I'll accept that. But "hair loss" is a progressive condition and simply put, there is no cure.

I wonder how many other physicians would say that hair transplant surgery is a cure for hair loss?

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In the real world of medicine, when a physiological problem has been treated to the point of finality it is effectively CURED.

In what way does hair transplantation stop the progressive nature of hair loss thus bringing it to "finality"?

Ironically you proved my point with your example:

quote:

If you have a lung infection, and you take antibiotics that resolve it, the infection is CURED.

An antibiotic DOES cure a lung infection because it restores the lung back to health (takes the ailment away and restores it).

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How many more analogies must I make?

I guess until you make an analogy that actually fits

Falc

I guess until you make an analogy that actually fits

Falc reveal your real idenity. You know who I am You are nothing more then a shill.
Hell will freeze over before an apology. Gotta love him though.

I want to add that I have a high respect for Dr. Feller, but if anyone is going to make ridiculous statements, they are going to be challenged on them.

I guess Dr. Feller and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on what the word "cure" really means

Falc

When people speak of "hair loss" it means just what the two words mean: loss of hair.

There is no reference to future hairloss, progressive hairloss, or even what causes the hairloss. You added those dimensions, not I.

When hair is GONE and it is REPLACED it is CURED.

The statmenet is clear as day and does not represent any kind of misrepresentation.

It's only dangerous to use the words "Cure" and "hairloss" in the same sentence if that sentence does not refer to hair transplantation.

For example:
LLLT is a "cure" for "hairloss"---> FALSE
Propecia is a "cure" for "hairloss"--> FALSE
HT is a "cure" for "hairloss"-- > TRUE

I can't disagree with you and PGP more vehemently on this issue. Thankfully, this is NOT the topic of the thread.

I just think there are better words then a cure.
If you could replace full density and stop further loss with a transplant then the word cure would fit .A transplant is more about an illusion then a cure. I do agree with you vehemently about laser being a scam . Oh by the way Im not looking for an apology

Now this could possibly be considered a cure if it ever comes out.

http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/hair-...ity-as-baldness-cure

PGP,
I know you're a good guy, but what in the world would I have to apologize for?

I think part of the problem here is that you and Falceros view the word "cure" incorrectly to mean "miracle cure". The kind that happens after the "laying on of hands" or "taking the waters at Lourdes".

Those are not real-world cures. They are "make believe"- like laser combs. Real world "cures" solve the problem in a meaningful and long lasting way.

If bald skin is the problem, then HT is the CURE in that it provides enough missing hair to cover that skin in a cosmetically signficant way. I just don't see how it can be made any clearer than that.

Calling HT a CURE for BALDNESS is a bold statement, but it also enjoys the benefit of being TRUE.

I never claimed it was a cure for the active process of BALDING, which is something Falceros added on his own and you mistook as coming from me.

If any apology is wanting, I believe it is from both you and Falceros. But I won't wait for your apologies either

Dr. Feller,

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It's only dangerous to use the words "Cure" and "hairloss" in the same sentence if that sentence does not refer to hair transplantation.

This is contradictory to what you are calling a "cure".

If a filling "cures" a cavity (as in one of your analogies), then cures for hair loss must include:

1. hair transplantation
2. wigs
3. hats
4. bandanas
5. concealers

Any others we can add to the list?

All of them effectively cover our balding areas but none of them stop or reverse hair loss like a "cure" implies.

Falc

I always liked your work and expertise but especially your sense of humor.
Can a nw 7 be cured of baldness?
Its not that I think your totally offbase I just feel that word is EXTREME and if it does have merit it doesnt apply in every case.
I would consider a cure to be successful 100% of the time ,transplants arent
I suppose we both interpret the word cure differently. No ,a miracle cure would be full density on top of the entire head even on a nw7.
I will be a man and apologize for not agreeing with you Remember Im one of your biggest supporters so be nice,and dont call me a shill

Falceros,
Your joking to keep this tangent going, right? You must be.

If baldness is the absence of LIVING hair, which is EXACTLY what it is, then replacement of these hairs with those that can GROW is surely the CURE.

Since wigs, hats, bandanas, and concealers CAN'T grow hair they are NOT in the running.
Since meds like minoxidil and propecia need to be taken on a regular basis, they are not in the running.
Hair Transplantation stands alone as the only true cure for bald skin.

PGP,
OK buddy, I hear you. I apologize to you as well... for you not agreeing with me!
Let's end this kooky tangent and get back on track.

I agree . Screw those lame ass laser scam artists
Now what?

If these 7500 or so hairs I had planted in my head 2.5 months ago will actually ever grow, I darn sure will consider myself "cured".

Hey, I'm a believer on this one and declare Dr. Feller the winner!

You also said you would still consider your experience with Cooley a great one even if the hair didnt grow.

Ok I also declare Feller the winner .
I might need him for temple point fue someday. Do you accept my apology?

Dr. Feller,

I agree to disagree with you .

I just think the day we start advertising hair transplant surgery as a "hair loss cure", we will become like the marketing hype we see regularly on the television.

And now, back to the topic

Falc

I think Dr Feller is correct, but since "Hair Transplantation" can not be a cure for everyone due to donar supply, it shouldn't be used in a blanket statement. It needs a asterisk like the steriod users, Bonds...etc......

5 a graft for fue at SMG vs 10 at Feller .
Ok Im glad you didnt accept