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Originally posted by Matt Skiba:
I'm 20 and I'm not gonna lie I can't help but feel just a bit jealous.

I honestly think the hairline looks too good and even looks kinda fake, kinda like the whole jamie foxx thing. It looks like a black man's hairline was put on a white man, and from what I can tell this kid's got the scummy wiggerness to go along with it(look at the crappy chain on his neck).

Even though his hair looked just a little bit worse than where I am right now at 20 years old it seriously looks unneccesary how much his forehead has been lowered.

Oh well, I'm sure this is gonna bite him in the ass one day and make him afraid to be seen in public and at least I don't have an acne problem like him haha.

I think the hairline looks racially inappropriate too.

how is armani unethical honestly? you people say hes so horrible when he flat out most likely tells u what the hells gonna happen? how is that unethical he shouldn't have to give a shit what you look like in 15 years if hes told you the consequences are. the guy owns a business, if i was HT doctor id let whoever wanted a hairtransplant if they flashed mastercard at me too.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
if i was HT doctor id let whoever wanted a hairtransplant if they flashed mastercard at me too.

...and thank the heavens you're not a ht doctor

seriously though.....you are a qualified idiot.

He does have a point though. In a world where capitalism is God, it's hard to hold people to the standards that some of us find "ethical". You reap what you sow. I know when a person is desperate for a solution in this instant gratification society, they may be swayed even if they know the problems the future may hold. However, in the end, it is elective cosmetic surgery.

I'm not saying it's not morally reprehensible. It's just that from birth we are taught to make money, so it's kind of hard to blame him for giving a patient what they want even though it may bite them in the ass in the future. A conscience isn't part of business.

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Originally posted by WeAreCured:

I'm not saying it's not morally reprehensible. It's just that from birth we are taught to make money, so it's kind of hard to blame him for giving a patient what they want even though it may bite them in the ass in the future. A conscience isn't part of business.

Wearecured,

I'm confused.
You on the one hand admit that the practices posted in this thread are morally reprehensible but then you defend the practioners of such unethical surgery, laying blame on the patients because 'they want it'.
Believe it or not there are many patients who have never browsed through hair loss forums, have never researched properly and who have blindly put their faith in surgeons, confident that the 'expert surgeon' knows best...and consequently there are many tales of disaster told here.

Also i disagree on your statement regarding a conscience not being part of the business...a conscience is part of the business. Sure its not a prerequisite for admission to the ishrs but but almost every universally well regarded surgeon has been shown time and time again to put the patients best interests at heart.

It ain't all about the almighty dollar

That is horrible and disgusting to say the least. I pray this kid doesn't lose any more hair, but we all know that wont happen. If he's losing hair at 18, you can expect agressive loss in the coming years.

A conscience may or may not be a part of "business"; it clearly is, however, a part of being a "doctor".

well put thana

nice topic.

Wow. The guy hardly doesn;t have much hairloss he could have been done 1500 the most grafts not 2500k.

shocking.

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Originally posted by josh - b:

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
if i was HT doctor id let whoever wanted a hairtransplant if they flashed mastercard at me too.

...and thank the heavens you're not a ht doctor

seriously though.....you are a qualified idiot.

im a qualified idiot? Grow up for one, two you don't know shit about a hair transplant compared to a doctor, what YOUR uneducated ass thinks means nothing, and a doctor is not unethical if he tells you your gonna need more surgeries, and for the people who do no research at all, wow don't be so naive.

josh-b,

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seriously though.....you are a qualified idiot.

A bit more couth may have been called for here.

Josh and Jupiter,

There's nothing wrong with a healthy discussion. Questions and disagreements are permitted here. I trust the debate can stay on an intellectual level without resorting to more insult.

Falc

Falc

falc,
u are of course absolutely right. Personal insults are uncalled for.

Jupiter,
pls accept my apologies for referring to u as an idiot.
I'll rephrase...your comments are idiotic.

Hair transplantation is a completely unregulated business and there are countless souls who have been through the mill at the hands of greedy, unscrupulous doctors.
Your defence of the 'if you've got the money , i'll operate' philosophy of some docs and all hair mills is completely reprehensible coming from what i assume is a fellow hair loss sufferer.

But I think..

IT is up to the person not to blame the Dr. I am sure Dr Armani would have told the guy about the future n stuff than again the patient decides if he wants it or not.

I just had to add my bit

k

Il give you a quick example why I have a problem with Armani. He dense packed a friend of mines hairline and the only reason he agreed to that is because Armani told him he has between 14000-16000 availabe in the donor if he has any future loss. I see the guy everyday and I can already see a thinning appearence in donor. In my opinion not only does he overpack areas to makeup for less yield but also grossly overestimates the donor supply .Hell if I was told I had that many available I would fall for that BS also.

PGP,

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Il give you a quick example why I have a problem with Armani. He dense packed a friend of mines hairline and the only reason he agreed to that is because Armani told him he has between 14000-16000 availabe in the donor if he has any future loss. I see the guy everyday and I can already see a thinning appearence in donor. In my opinion not only does he overpack areas to makeup for less yield but also grossly overestimates the donor supply .Hell if I was told I had that many available I would fall for that BS also.

I think we should reserve further discussion of this case for if/when he decides to share his experience and photos. He is, of course, encouraged to do this.

Best wishes,

Falc

Your right ,but I will say one thing and that is things ARE suprisingly looking positive for him. He has started to let his hair grow and its quite evident he has much more then 2 months ago ,along with quite a few wispy ones. I will admit next to Shapiro I loved Armanis strip results and though not appropriate for me and my norwood level I always liked his dense hairlines ,so Im not bashing him. I just dont understand how he can tell someone they have an average 15000 available grafts even after a small strip and medium fue session. Maybe I missed something .Has that number been grossly underestimated for years? I hope so! Im almost positive youll get a complete update at month 12,especially if things continue to improve but your right its up to J to post .

PGP,

I'm glad to hear things are looking up for jimmy. Hopefully he'll share his results and photos when he reaches 12 months.

I agree with you about the 15,000 average available donor grafts. In my opinion, some (but very few) patients may have that many donor grafts available, but this is the exception and a far cry higher than the average.

Falc

Im drunk with hair envy...
How does Armani get so much density all the time? If you look at the first case, the guy didn't have that much native hair left; only 3,200 grafts and THAT much density?
anyone else think that is a ridiculous amount of density given the pre pics and the amount of grafts moved? Wonder if the pics are misleading with the lighting or something...

Maybe the fact that there aren't any top down shots of the first guy helps explain some of this.

yeah that last guys hair looks REALLY sparse AND he had all of it strip. The FUE was just for the scar.

I know Alvi gets great density with strip but HOW? I mean, 3,200 grafts is 3,200 grafts. The density in the first case looks TREMENDOUS.

I wonder if it only appears to be that dense because we don't have a good top down shot?

Regarding the first case, I think the pics are totally kosher, though they don't tell the whole story...The grafts went into the frontal 1/3rd (actually very similiar to my HT, though he had temple work, and his area looks a bit larger) and were feathered in terms of density as they went farther back; grown out, everything is then pushed forward and into the middle in the hairline. He also did have a pretty strong lot of native hair in the middle area of his hairline to begin with

Nonetheless, it is a very good result, but I'm not the biggest fan of the documentation, as a whole; one thing is that it would be nice if top-down shots were shown pre-op and post-op.