It's funny how the only one's posting about refunds ACTUALLY HAPPENING are from AHS themselves.

Besides...let's look at reality here for a minute. Though I'd LIKE to see everyone that was promised the world but received nothing from AHS get refunds, the fact that AHS is offering refunds is just another way of admitting guilt. Either that or it's a tactic to try to stifle people from sharing their bad experiences to deter future business.

News flash to AHS: If you are that concerned about avoiding bad publicity...then perhaps you should give perspective patients realistic expectations from the start. "Realistic" here may be no expectations of growth, in which case, I think patients that spend the money and see no results should be entitled to a refund as part of the initial contract.

Falc

""Realistic" here may be no expectations of growth, in which case, I think patients that spend the money and see no results should be entitled to a refund as part of the initial contract."

-I agree.
They told me "You will definately get your hair back, just start the lazer now before its too late"

Being young and stupid I fell for it.

AHS - How about you give me my money back?

MD1
Answer this simple question:

How does laser light, which is "line of site", pass through existing hair?

Furthermore, how does your "equipment" account for the massive variability in skin color, texture, and thickness?

Instead of doing your standard "softshoe" dance of claiming how you are supposedly refunding patients, why don't you answer this very substantive and direct question?

*Tell us how your magical laser light show re-animates dead or dying cellular material.* It’s a simple question isn’t it? But you haven’t answered yet.

I can go into ridiculous detail as to how hair transplantation works –and even do so on a daily basis. Where is YOUR explanation?

I’m not holding you to any standard I don’t hold myself up to, so come on, let’s have your explanation. Every viewer of this thread is waiting for a logical answer-your credibility and that of your company is on the line here so don’t you think you should answer?

quote:

I’m not holding you to any standard I don’t hold myself up to, so come on, let’s have your explanation. Every viewer of this thread is waiting for a logical answer-your credibility and that of your company is on the line here so don’t you think you should answer?

And the congregation said...

Amen!

Falc

quote:

On a happier note: I would like to post a lovely e-mail received from a new client in Stockholm:
(I am a brand new Patient and received and had my new hair system applied only TODAY!

Maybe I'm missing something here, but it seems that MD1 is posting an email reply regarding a Hair Club "system" and not even addressing the "magic" laser. I'm not shocked that MD1 is not responding to Dr. Feller.

MD1, please enlighten us with some facts as to how your laser actually works. Feel free to use technical terms, & I'm sure we'd all be interested in seeing documented proof/pictures.

Laser therapy is a joke in my mind regardelss of if it's a hand held one or an office

Rhodeman,
You are 100% correct. I told you that group was a bunch of real silky smoothies. He used a technique known as "distraction" to respond to the thread without actually anwering. Confidence men use this method regularly.

As far as I'm concerned, based on their silence, they are busted. I see a class action lawsuit coming for them and the manufacturer of their magic laser beams.

I still have not had a chance to contact Dr. Bauman who is the only reputable doctor I know who advocates this "laser therapy". Once I do I will share it with this site. Should be interesting.

Dr. Feller

Dr. Feller,

Thank you for attempting to get to the heart of the matter. We'll see if MD1 actually takes the time to respond to your questions. My guess is...probably not.

I DO look forward to hearing/reading the discussion you and Dr. Bauman have regarding laser therapy. I'm sure it will be educational as you are both reputable physicians.

Falc

Just for kicks, I went to Advanced Hair Studio's website.

What they claim........"Advanced Laser Therapy is the powerful combination of three programs: the latest laser beam technology, an FDA-approved regrowth pharmaceutical*, and a proven scalp and follicle treatment program. Visible benefits can occur very quickly - often in as little as three months.

And the results are exceptional: university trials# show Advanced Laser Therapy regrew hair in 72% of cases, with a 100% satisfaction in hair growth*."


What the # and * reference when you click on them.......

".... * Self evaluation based on double-blind, randomised, placebo-controlled, parallel designed trial.
# Results achived from Minoxidil. Requires continuous use.
Please note that the ASA wishes Advanced Hair Studio to make it clear to prospective clients that in their opinion the only proven element of the Advanced Laser Therapy® program is Minoxidil. Although Advanced Hair Studio does not agree with this adjudication it is happy to comply. "


So basically, what this says to me, is that Advanced Hair Studio is making the claim of 100% satisfaction in hair growth based upon "self-evaluation" [sort of like admiring yourself in a mirror], & they note that the Advanced laser THERAPY regrew hair in 72% of cases based upon the use of Minoxidil [not the Laser]. They also state that the ONLY proven element of the THERAPY program is the Minoxidil.

MD1, if your Laser actually provides regrowth or some OTHER benefit to hair, perhaps you can inform us as to why your company has the disclaimer.

I'm guessing that the "University trials" that are referenced are the ones performed for the Minoxidil by it's manufacturer.

Rhodeman

Great post! I laughed out loud a couple times reading it.

It's typical for these types of "scam" companies to advertise this way. The * and the # is like reading the fine print on any contract.

Nicely done.

Falc

Parable.

Long tinme no speak old friend.

Yes lets get these fraudsters.

I know more people who were robbed by them.

I even met their poster boy Mark Geyer who looks much balder in real life.

If you have already started a website I am very interested in joining.
Lets get heaps of people documenting thier experience as it happened to them.

I know how to make the site the first one (or one of the first) displayed when you type in "advanced hair studios" in Google.

This would have a dramatic effect on their business as there is no website like this at the moment.

Let me know if there is anything you need.

As you are aware I am the client realtions manager and deal with all complaints,as this is my field of work (GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE ON MY PART) I have forwarded your request for information to our head office in London. You are more than welcome to contact them direct, the Advanced Hair Studio I am sure will be more than happy to answer any questions that you may have regards any of there treatments:

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Originally posted by Dr. Alan Feller:
MD1
Answer this simple question:

How does laser light, which is "line of site", pass through existing hair?

Furthermore, how does your "equipment" account for the massive variability in skin color, texture, and thickness?

Instead of doing your standard "softshoe" dance of claiming how you are supposedly refunding patients, why don't you answer this very substantive and direct question?

*Tell us how your magical laser light show re-animates dead or dying cellular material.* It’s a simple question isn’t it? But you haven’t answered yet.

I can go into ridiculous detail as to how hair transplantation works –and even do so on a daily basis. Where is YOUR explanation?

I’m not holding you to any standard I don’t hold myself up to, so come on, let’s have your explanation. Every viewer of this thread is waiting for a logical answer-your credibility and that of your company is on the line here so don’t you think you should answer?

Dear Rhodeman: As much as I would love to be able to answer all questions on the Advanced Hair Studio I am unable to do so: However I am more than happy for all clients of the Advanced Hair Studio to contact me direct with there questions - maeveduhy@advancedhairstudio.com and I will forward these questions onto the head office in London and ask for a reply. The reason I am leaving my details on this site was requested by the Managing Director of the Advanced Hair Studio: This is so any AHS Client with a complaint can be reviewed and hopefully resolved satisfactory. I would like to advise that anybody who contacts me, I will try my best to resolve any complaint that you have with the Advanced Hair Studio.

quote:

Originally posted by Rhodeman:
Just for kicks, I went to Advanced Hair Studio's website.

What they claim........"Advanced Laser Therapy is the powerful combination of three programs: the latest laser beam technology, an FDA-approved regrowth pharmaceutical*, and a proven scalp and follicle treatment program. Visible benefits can occur very quickly - often in as little as three months.

And the results are exceptional: university trials# show Advanced Laser Therapy regrew hair in 72% of cases, with a 100% satisfaction in hair growth*."


What the # and * reference when you click on them.......

".... * Self evaluation based on double-blind, randomised, placebo-controlled, parallel designed trial.
# Results achived from Minoxidil. Requires continuous use.
Please note that the ASA wishes Advanced Hair Studio to make it clear to prospective clients that in their opinion the only proven element of the Advanced Laser Therapy® program is Minoxidil. Although Advanced Hair Studio does not agree with this adjudication it is happy to comply. "


So basically, what this says to me, is that Advanced Hair Studio is making the claim of 100% satisfaction in hair growth based upon "self-evaluation" [sort of like admiring yourself in a mirror], & they note that the Advanced laser THERAPY regrew hair in 72% of cases based upon the use of Minoxidil [not the Laser]. They also state that the ONLY proven element of the THERAPY program is the Minoxidil.

MD1, if your Laser actually provides regrowth or some OTHER benefit to hair, perhaps you can inform us as to why your company has the disclaimer.

I'm guessing that the "University trials" that are referenced are the ones performed for the Minoxidil by it's manufacturer.

Maeve, why don't you just forward the question raised in this thread to the "London office" and post the reply, if any?

The question is not client-specific and so you have no reason to hide behind client confidentiality.

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How does the laser light therapy reanimate dead hair?
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This is the question you should obtain the answer to. I realize that you're just a PR flunkie and so don't posess any real knowledge of the topics raised here, but you claim to be in contact with people who do. Why won't you ask them and post here? Better yet, why don't you get them to post here themselves so that we can engage in a dialogue that can potentially benefit a lot of folks?

"I will forward these questions onto the head office in London and ask for a reply"

Thats a runaround if I ever saw one.
It is obvious that lazer does not promote hairgrowth. If it work did and MD1 believed in the explanation he would give it to us.
Its not like he does'nt know what lies they tell the customers - he is the client relations manager after all.


I can tell you guys exactly what they told me when I realized that nothing grew and I asked them how it was supposed to work. Here is what the consultant said:

"The minoxidil is appllied to your scalp to soften it up. Then we apply the lazer which is designed to break through the build-up of DHT on your scalp and break it apart. The removal of the build-up will enable the hairs to grow back again"

I think I shall not need to comment on hte stupidity of that explanation.

El Guapo

I got a consultation with the Body Clinic in Dublin. I saw an add in the paper about laser treatment to restore hair.

I got the exact same explanation, The super new powerful laser would blast through the caked up DHT that was strangling my hair follicles to death.

At that point i knew very little about DHT and the science of hair loss. I found the consultant condecending and smug. He told me i had a load of dead follicles, and he would do his best to regrow my hair.

Luckily i declined his treatment. Then he offered to do a hair transplant

Badger,

I hope you checked to make sure you still had your watch after you shook his hand.

"As much as I would love to be able to answer all questions on the Advanced Hair Studio I am unable to do so: However I am more than happy for all clients of the Advanced Hair Studio to contact me direct with there questions - maeveduhy@advancedhairstudio.com and I will forward these questions onto the head office in London and ask for a reply. "


MR1.......if we bring you the broomstick of the wicked witch of the west, can we get a discount?

Ha.

-Something tells me we've heard the last from the rug sales man, MR1.

My name is Sherida Devine and I was the woman crying on the AHS commercial because their laser grew all of my hair back, walks my dog on a daily basis, and sent all three of my kids to college!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

But seriously, I do believe that it is criminal of any business to charge $6000+ for use of laser equipment that is probably made for a couple hundred.

Now, I'm not one to say that LLLT doesn't work, because I have seen no proof one way or the other. While I do respect Dr. Feller's opinion, I also respect Dr. Bauman's and - possibly because I have worked with many doctors, researchers, and have grown-up in a medical family - I understand that an educated opinion, no matter how respected, is just that: an opinion. Frankly, I haven't seen anything from either side which can be considered imperical evidence that either LLLT works or doesn't work.

Scentifically speaking, cells do seem to respond to certain wave lengths of light: speeding-up cell regeration and cell activity. Whether or not this could have a positive effect on hair growth, I don't know. But there are many researchers, not just Dr. Bauman, that claim that it does have positive effects. I also respect the fact that Dr. Bauman states that LLLT is not the "cure" for hair loss, but could be useful as an adjuct treatment.

Dr. Feller, while I do (as I have stated) respect your opinion, I have heard similar arguments made by other doctors in regards to minoxidil - "there is no way it could penetrate the scalp", "it's a magic potion", "it's a scam: people have been selling greasy snake-oil since time began promising it can regrow hair." All of these statements come directly from physicians about minoxidil. I guess the primary problem has always been that it is easier to denounce an idea than to prove it.

Once again, I have no idea, one way or the other but I would like to see some real proof in both cases. Still, it does seem like these "salons" are taking advantage of people using slick marketing. I would say that, if anyone wanted to try LLLT and see for themselves that they should forget the expensive salons and combs and by the diodes themselves - they are very inexpensive and there are even companies that make laser devices that cost way less that $600. Just do a google search and know that the light that supposedly works is in the 650, red wavelength. You should find some companies that sell them.

Heck, maybe I'll buy or make one and do a little unbiased test. I believe that anything is possible, but still I doubt that 90% of all people that try LLLT are satisfied with it.