Get off your high horse salesman Joe. I have seen plenty of stats from H&W patients. Dallas needs to know what he potentially is in for. He apparently has no idea about the strip scar so I was simply informing him of common strip lengths.

I must stand beside this fine gentleman Gorpy on this one.

As a fellow cowboy fan I will chime in…read “The Bald Truth”-by-spencer korben

Joe has a good point...On HLH forum I saw pics of patient of Dr.Hasson who only got 1350grafts and I highly doubt he was more then a 20cm strip(guess-Joe?)..any way his work looks amazing I couldn't tell he even had work done from his pics....What Gorpy was pointing out I think is more what makes its way to the forums larger cases (they do all different size sessions well not just large+)


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I'm ramping up. Keep it coming.This man does not deserve anything but respect. I WILL disasempble whatever youu wan't.

Gorpy,

It's sad that you have to resort to cheap insults. "Salesman Joe"? C'mon, I know you can do better than that.

"I have seen plenty of stats from H&W patients."

How many? Point me to them. By stats, you must mean actual strip measurements, right?

"He apparently has no idea about the strip scar so I was simply informing him of common strip lengths."

And that is the beauty of this site, helping others, but in your initial post you said "typical" strip length of 30cm. I won't beat you up over semantics but the bottom line is that you know nothing of this patient, how many grafts he needs, etc. etc. Why didn't you ask him about his case first?

Earlier you said something about the strip scars being "ugly" and "hideous" and "large". How many people on the street do you think even notice this kind of thing as a hair transplant? None. I have personally sat at a table with two strangers that were close friends of Mike Ferko's that after 45 minutes had no idea I had a hair transplant. We're talking ten days after my first procedure and my head was shaved. If you call Mike in our Seattle office he'll give you the number of a patient that had to give a presentation for a 3 million dollar contract nine days post-op and his head was shaved. He got the contract. Tell him how ugly and hideous the scars are. Mike's number is 1.888.819.6013.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you walk into the downtown area of your respective cities and towns you can ask 100 people what they think of when you mention the words "hair transplant". Ask them the first thing that pops into their heads, "plugs". This is the only way you see or hear about it in the media because it is portrayed as the comic relief of any movie or tv show. "The guy with the plugs" is picked on for a good laugh. What Dallas will get, and what you got, are far from plugs.

Remember the issue over Jamie Foxx and if he had an HT or not? Do you recall seeing this question in any of the papers? TV news? Non hair related blogs? Nope. You saw this question posed on hair transplant sites and no one can figure it out. Watch Jarhead, look for the strip scar. Even then people debate it and he has his head shaved. Btw, point out the other two Marines in that movie with strip scars. I've seen them, have you? We look for this stuff all the time. We look for it on George W., we look for it on Michael Jordan, we look for it everywhere. Everyone else is looking for the next American Idol.

Cowboy states:


Posted June 08, 2007 08:26 AM
I'm preparing to schedule a session in the very near future.

Currently, I shave my head with an electric razor (with no guard...so it's not cleanly shaven...kind of a stubble...and fortunately...I have hair growing in all over my head, but it's just thinner on top).

I have a job in the public eye, so that's why I'm paranoid.


Deceptive practices Joe. It is obvious he won't be happy with a strip scar while buzzing his hair. I don't care if it is 15, 20 or 30cm long. He won't be happy with it unless he grows his hair out to cover it. Tell the truth Joe. Sorry I interfered with you "making the sale".

I'll make this simple. Do you or do you not think it's best to know what someone's situation is before making assumptive statements like yours?

quote:

I don't care if it is 15, 20 or 30cm long.

Gorpy, then why mention strip scar lengths at all? Your entire argument just got shot out of the water.

Right. And I'm totally off base warning a newbie about what his strip scar might look like 3 weeks post op with a buzzed head.

Dallas, you have been warned.


Dallas said:


Posted June 08, 2007 12:45 PM Hide Post
YoungGuy,

Thank you.

I guess my situation is that I currently have my head shaved, and I don't want to start growing hair back because I'll be thin on top (until the hair starts growing back in), and again, I'm in the public eye.

So, if you're saying the only visible problem I'm going to have is the strip scar (which I really don't know how large that is), then that doesn't sound too bad. And, to me, at least on the surface, it sounds like something I'd be comfortable with having...unless you guys are telling me that it will a) look hideous even 3 weeks after the procedure and b)is a terrible idea (keep in mind, I'm obviously planning on growing my hair out in the 5-6 months it takes to grow back).

Well Joe; As much as I respect you. Gorpy is right. Or is caution to the winD the new mantra?Also I did not know that H&W now posessed the holy grail or a crystal ball.
Check it...

Gorpy,

You can quote all you want. You don't know his situation, you didn't ask, yet you threw out a random number that you say is based on stats which you have yet to provide. Whether or not his scar will be 30cm or 2cm you did not know. These stats (your words) come from nowhere and you don't have anything to back up your words. Even if you are right about the size of his potential scar, you just don't know. I do so I'm speaking from a point of advantage.

Don't twist things around to make it look like I'm telling people that a strip scar is invisible with a shaved head. I'm the last person to do so. Keep posting but until you can back up your "stats" relating to his case without knowing anything about it your argument is moot. That was and is the point. I'm still waiting on those stats.

I'm getting a little heated.

quote:

Originally posted by Jotronic:
Gorpy,
You can quote all you want. You don't know his situation, you didn't ask, yet you threw out a random number that you say is based on stats which you have yet to provide. Whether or not his scar will be 30cm or 2cm you did not know. These stats (your words) come from nowhere and you don't have anything to back up your words. Even if you are right about the size of his potential scar, you just don't know. I do so I'm speaking from a point of advantage.

This is such nonsense. Come from nowhere?? You've made a career out of posting multiple results online of super megasessions from your clinic - the 4000, 5000, 6000, and 7000 graft variety. Even if you cut the grafts REALLY small you're going to get long scars. It's insane to ask for stats and proof when you're the one posting them in the first place. Tell me, since you're chastising him, who ever heard of a "2cm" strip scar? Are you saying your clinic would put a guy in the chair for 200 grafts strip? When Gorpy responded to the post he said "typical scars" and strip scars are "typically" at least 25 cm long. And very visible for some weeks and months after surgery so if this guy wants to continue to buzz to a zero guard then he better go in knowing all the facts.

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Don't twist things around to make it look like I'm telling people that a strip scar is invisible with a shaved head. I'm the last person to do so. Keep posting but until you can back up your "stats" relating to his case without knowing anything about it your argument is moot. That was and is the point. I'm still waiting on those stats.

What exactly is your point then? Are you even remotely prepared to argue that a guy who wants to continue to shave his head with a zero guard has even the faintest hope of concealing a strip hair transplant? Because that's what he said he wants to do and ANYBODY with any sense would tell him it's impossible, for any amount of grafts that would be remotely reasonable to justify a strip surgery in the first place.

MOOT- Where the f- do you think your posting HLH ?
Hummble yourself.
This is a patient site not a sales site.
Perhaps you were confused ?
I expect one to Gorpy or you can go pound sand.

Acquarius - you are too funny.
Any way if you read the orginal question, its obvious the guy is worried about the scar because he shaves his head complete, so its irrelevant if the scar is 30 cm or 25 cm or 20 cm. it will be quite obvious the first few months and that is the point.

Exactly..

Spoon,

With all due respect do you think that all we do are large sessions? Many donor strips are indeed 30 and even 32cm long. At the same time many are much shorter. My point is that Gorpy did not know if this guy is getting a 1000 graft session or a 6000 graft session. And as for a 2cm scar, it was sarcasm.

Here's my donor scar at five weeks with a #1 buzz.




Hideous? Depends on your idea of hideous I guess but it's up to Dallas to decide since we're talking about his case. No one said a thing to me during the entire few months that I kept it at this length. This was after a very wide strip for the time (1.8cm in 2002) that took out two previous wide scars and way before trico was introduced.

You guys are getting jacked up over this with arguing points that I'm not disagreeing with. I never said the scar would not be noticeable. I never said that it may not be an issue. A 30cm scar may be typical based on results we've shown here but at the same time it may not be based on our entire patient list. "Typical" applies to what has been seen here on the forums but may not apply to Dallas; or it may. Gorpy does not know but we do since we're the ones speaking with him. Dallas may choose to move forward, he may not, but it should be based on what he brings to the table as a patient and not random numbers thrown around without any facts to go on. Part of our job is to try and understand the patient's expectations and identify issues that may be of concern. That is why I asked him to call me and that is why we try to do the right thing.

Continue slamming me all you want but my points should be clear by now. So clear that there is no more need for argument. And like I said, helping others is what this site is all about and I know that is what Gorpy was doing. I called him on his "stats" however and now I'm the bad guy salesman. Exuuuuse me. Next time someone asks about doctor taking two strips in two days to get 4000 or 5000 grafts I'll stay out of it and let Gorpy explain why it's a good idea.

Joe, I believe Gorpy was talking about the first few weeks post op. The scar will be an angry shade of red, and it will be very visible with a buzzed head. It's just the nature of the beast, fresh scars.

After a few months he will look wonderful and the scar will be difficult to detect even when looked for. With a clinic of H&W's caliber and the skill of the docs there, that's never really been under dispute. However, dallas asked whether he can continue shaving his head until 4 months post op, which to me says he wasn't aware of the scar. So he deserved a heads up

Look, If you are buzzed down to a 1 or 2 clip, the scar is going to show regardless of size.

I think the patient should be alerted to the fact that people will notice a scar if you don't grow your hair out a couple of inches.

It may not be hideous, but they will notice if you have a buzz cut.

Not a couple... 1/2 inch or so.

folica,youngguy is right,my hair is well under 1/2 inch at the moment and youcan barely make out the scar.in a week or 2 it will be undetectable. dallas, when you say you are in the public eye are we to assume that you are a well known face?if not would it not be easier just to bite the bullet shave down and if anyone notices tell them the truth or make up some far fetched story about a heroic tussle against a samurai weilding maniac.even if you are famous would it not be reasonable to ask you to come clean and fight some of the stigma attached to this proceedure and baldness in general.your thoughts please.