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Hair Restoration Research Forum Hair Restoration Questions and Answers Scar Shock Loss - A Question for The Veterans|
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Veteran Real Hair Club Member |
quote: Robert, thanks for that. It's useful info. I'll keep using the Minoxidil as directed by Dr E, and get the MSM sorted this weekend. Dr E wants me to apply Minox once a day to the donor area, but my hair is so long there now that I'm having to ask my wife to do the necessary from behind. She's already got out a pair of rubber gloves at the ready. Maybe I should clarify just exactly what it is I'm asking her to do... Neil |
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My Current Regimen: .5 mg Avodart - daily 5% minox 2x/day Nizoral 2% - 3x/week T-Sal - 3x/week Nioxin Actives other days MSM - 3,000 mg per day Celestial Follicle Club Member  |
quote: It took me reading this twice to get it. haha. Now that is truly funny. -Robert ------------------------------ Check out the results of my surgical hair restoration performed by Dr. Jerry Cooley by visiting my Hair Loss Weblog |
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Veteran Real Hair Club Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hairworthy:
Neil, Check your mailbox, I'll send you a PM with the link to a UK website where you can order MSM. Delivered to your home within days & cheap. QUOTE] Hairworthy, Picked up a 120-capsule bottle of MSM from the local Holland and Barratt health shop this weekend. Cost just under £6 for what's effectively a month's supply on 3g per day. I think that compares reasonably with the internet contact you gave me. Started taking straight away, and the wife is applying Dr E's prescribed 1ml of Minox directly to the donor shock loss area, so we'll see where we go from here. I'll report back in the next month or so. Thanks again for your support - it's been a big help on the mental side of things. |
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Follicular Salvation Club Member |
Shock loss occurs sometimes and not others-- a same patient might experience it on 1 HT then not on the next-- it various. But Shock loss on both donor and recepient areas come back if the hair that fell out was NOT in the final growth phase (was going to fall in in the next few months anyway). The time frame varies as well for shock loss to grow back- sometimes it starts by month 3 other times maybe 6 months.
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Hard Core Real Hair Club Member |
Neil
I know it has been a while since we posted. How is it going? How is the growth? HT with Dr. Jeffrey Epstein Dec. 17, 2004 3029 FU--NW5 |
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Veteran Real Hair Club Member |
Hey Philly! That's a coincidence - I was only thinking the same, that I should get in touch, just this morning. Not much happening for me as yet. Not many signs of growth at all. Where are we - 11 weeks on Friday? I guess it's still early days yet. How are you doing? Any density showing through? It's a tough time for us both just now. Really impatient to see something happening. I have a big social event on April 22, and I was really hoping for some improvement in my hairline before then, but it's "touch and go" right now. |
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Hard Core Real Hair Club Member |
Hey Neil
I have several hairs popping out...it is exciting. I can tell these are new hairs they are thicker and never had them before. I will try to take coupel of pictures and post them. Good luck and will write again soon HT with Dr. Jeffrey Epstein Dec. 17, 2004 3029 FU--NW5 |
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Hard Core Real Hair Club Member |
Phillyhair, good to hear you are beginning to show some results. from what i hear, next couple of months should be exciting for you.
Neil, april 22 is almost 2 months away. i am sure you will see some significant improvement in your hairline by then. its usually the crown that takes time i hear. good luck to both of you. Paris |
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Mentor Real Hair Club Member |
Hi Neil,
Sorry to hear of the dilemma. It was difficult for me to see the details of the scar from the four pics. But from what I did view, the area looks okay at this point in time post-op. And as you gathered already, yes in most cases the re-growth in the donor area should occur. It also appears that you are wearing your hair long enough to ward off any detectability, especially at your event in April. I read your comment about having four prior procedures and in case the re-growth in the donor is not as satisfactory as you want it, you can always consider having grafts inserted in the area in the future. Best wishes to you on your future growth! Gillenator I am not a physician and my opinions are not medical advice, but are my own views which you read at your own risk. more.hair@verizon.net Supporting Physicians: Dr. Glenn Charles, Boca Raton - Dr. Jim Harris, Denver - Dr. Chris Bisanga, Brussels - Drs. Robert True & Robert Dorin, New York |
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Veteran Real Hair Club Member |
Hi there Gillenator, and thanks for your post. Right now Philly and I are both at exactly 12 weeks post op from Dr E, and while I have a small number of new hairs coming through in my hairline, there is no growth of any significance as yet and consequently no improvement in the look of my hairline. However, I have total faith in Dr E, and I know from reading elsewhere in this forum that there's no "magic switch" that gets clicked at 12 weeks. It could well be much longer before real change shows through. However, like everyone else who has been in this position, I'm now at the stage of staring at my hairline daily, willing the new hairs to come through, and wondering if I somehow damaged the grafts when I gently rubbed off the crusts that had lifted at 6-7 days. As far as the donor area goes, Dr E's scar is remarkable in its invisibility, and the shock loss areas have darkened up, so I have hope. Dr E advised me to put in Minox once daily, but my lifestyle in recent weeks has made this difficult to do, and as yet there is little re-growth. However my barber (who knows my history) tells me he's confident he can give me a much shorter style next month, without giving the game away. What is interesting is that the numbness around the donor scar has been replaced with a very dull "ache", and is slightly painful to the touch, even with a comb, which I don't recall from previous surgery (although it's many years ago so the memory will have faded). So in summary, a frustrating period, but I know Dr E has not let me down! Best regards, Neil |
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Real Hair Club Member |
Neil. I have been reading this thread as I have a similar problem. I am almost 2 months out of my second HT. This time I notice a totally smooth area below my scar. There are larger circular areas at each end where the sutures where tied off. When viewing pics of other scars on this site, I mostly see fairly thin ones with hair directly above and below. So, I am hoping that mine is just temporary shock loss as well. Please keep us posted on your progress. If yours starts to fill in, then maybe I can be more at ease about mine. Good luck
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Veteran Real Hair Club Member |
Lurker, First off, welcome to the Forum. Your profile in your donor area sounds exactly as mine was at two months. I think I can give you some comfort - I'll be 15 weeks post-op this coming Friday April 1st, and while it's true to say I haven't scrutinised my donor area for at least a couple of weeks, the last time I looked I could see a definite darkening of the shock loss areas, and my wife agreed that the shock loss was much less visible. If I now run my fingers through the back of my scalp, I can't feel the smoothness that I could feel at two months, although my hair is quite long over the donor area. I'll be having my hair cut in the next week or so, and I'll report back on what my barber sees. When I last went in around 5-6 weeks ago he was already confident then that he could cut my hair much shorter at the back, but I decided to wait until my next cut, so I'll see what he thinks when I go in this week or next. As a side issue, I think it's important to distinguish between the shock loss and the scar itself. I have to say, my scar looks to be a work of art from Dr Epstein. To me, looking in reverse through a mirror, it looks almost invisible along most of its length, with no signs of "stretching", and my wife agrees. That gives me hope that the surrounding areas of scalp are undamaged, and the regrowth I think I'm seeing will continue through to full recovery. Keep the faith, my friend. I'll post again with an update within two weeks, and my best advice would be to keep your hair longer at the back if you can, and not over-focus on the shock loss. Using Minoxidil in the donor area and MSM to boost growth will almost certainly speed up your recovery. Hopefully in the next 4-6 weeks you'll also feel a lot happier, but hang in there for now. Regards, Neil |
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Veteran Real Hair Club Member |
Luker,
Exactly what you stated is exactly what is happening with me and I am exactly 11 weeks post op. I have those circular scars as well where the sutures were tied. Also I can feel smooth skin and no stubble so it worries me. I'm praying for hair to start growing through. |
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Veteran Real Hair Club Member |
Eric, Lurker, For what it's worth, my skin around the scar was also completely smooth with no stubble, and worse in circular patches in several places along the scar line. I made a close examination of my donor area last night and there's been a significant improvement in the past 3-4 weeks, coinciding with my donor hair starting to come through in my hairline. From what I can see there are no patchines of smooth skin remaining. The hair is starting to come through all around the scar which, incidentally, is almost invisible - just a thin red line in a couple of places along its length. As you can see from my earlier posts above, I was in despair at your stages, but it's coming good, and I fully expect it will for you guys too. Just give it another 4-6 weeks and you'll see a significant difference. And to repeat, Minoxidil in the donor area plus a regime of MSM may help speed up the recovery. Good luck, guys. |
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Mentor Real Hair Club Member |
Neil,
Glad to hear that new growth in the donor near the scar is coming along well.  Some things just take time and hopefully Lurker and Eric will see similiar results very soon. It is extremely rare to see permanent shockloss in the donor area so the odds are in your favor guys. Gillenator I am not a physician and my opinions are not medical advice, but are my own views which you read at your own risk. more.hair@verizon.net Supporting Physicians: Dr. Glenn Charles, Boca Raton - Dr. Jim Harris, Denver - Dr. Chris Bisanga, Brussels - Drs. Robert True & Robert Dorin, New York |
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Veteran Real Hair Club Member |
Guys,
Just a quick update on the past couple of posts, particularly for Eric and Lurker. I had a very thorough haircut last Friday, where my barber buzzed the back of my hair down to a number five in the donor area, and so significantly shorter than the length I'd been wearing it to disguise the shockloss. It actually looks great - not a sign of any shockloss at that length, and my barber told me he was being conservative - he could probably have taken me down to a two or a three, but wanted to wait until next time (3-4 weeks) to be absolutely sure of the recovery. I'll try to post some images when I can, but I can promise you that Dr Epstein's scar work is truly remarkable. My barber says he can barely see any signs of my scarring from previous ops, let alone the latest with Dr E. And running a comb through the number 5 length, you would truly not now know that I had surgery only 16 weeks ago. You'll be okay guys - just a few more weeks! NB - amended 8th April with attached photos taken today, one week after a number 5 buzz at the rear. Pic 1 Pic 2 Pic 3 Pic 4 Pic 5 |
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Guru Real Hair Club Member |
Dramatic improvement Neil, congrats! Any meanful growth in the recepient area yet?
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Veteran Real Hair Club Member |
Jacob, thanks. Good to get objective feedback on progress. Staying with the donor area for a moment, I thought you and other viewers might be interested to see the mess my donor area was in before my procedure with Dr Epstein, so I've put in a link to his own pre-op pics of my rear that he sent me just this weekend, together with his accompanying comments in his email. The pics were taken just an hour before my surgery in December. I hope people would agree, the contrast is astonishing. It certainly amazed me when I saw the extent of scarring that Dr E has removed: Pre-Op Scarring "Neil- Here are some photos showing the donor arear prior to your procedure with me. Anytime Neil there is scar tissue, and we are trying to obtain the maximum number of grafts, shock loss is always much more likely to occur, but should resolve with time as you are seeing." Jacob, as far as progress in the recipient area goes, it's intriguing, and I'd welcome your views. What I'm seeing at 16 weeks is very "patchy" growth in the hairline. What I mean by this is that in some places along the line there is already density developing, with some hairs well over a centimetre long, yet in other areas absolutely nothing. I guess I was expecting more even growth, but that's probably naive. Whatever, I'm starting to see a softening of my old "grafty" hairline from previous ops, which is just great, and the more it softens, the more confident I'm becoming in my new appearance. I'm already starting to feel more like a normal member of the human race again, after more than 15 years of people giving me strange, questioning looks above my eyeline. I'll post a couple of pics of the front around the end of this month, when I hit the full four-month mark. All the best, Neil |
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Hard Core Real Hair Club Member |
Neil Congratulations....
It seems you are healing very well, and the pictures look wonderful. There is a day and night difference in teh scarring picture and Dr. Epstein has done a wonderful job on your scarring. I have been cutting at number 5 as well, and I cannot even tell that there was anything done...neither in the recipient not the donor area...my in-laws say that if they had not known, they could not tell I had anything done. ANd I already look much younger. The haurline is developing and it is a nice feeling. Looking forward for more posts from you HT with Dr. Jeffrey Epstein Dec. 17, 2004 3029 FU--NW5 |
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