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Mentor Real Hair Club Member |
Who's better w/ repair work? who does better recipient closures? Any other suggestions besides these 2 for those 2 questions
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Guru Real Hair Club Member |
They both do great work. You may benefit from a large# of grafts. H&W are known to push the envelope in terms of session size, although Epstein may have this abilty too.
Keep looking at patient results and calling clinics until it feels right. I called Epstein's office when I was first researching clinics. |
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My Hair Loss Weblog Follicular Salvation Club Member |
From my research both are excellent. Where are you located? I know geography is on down the list but if you're in Central or South Florida, H&W are a long ways away; and you'd fly over some excellent docs on the way. Just my opinion.
300 'mini' grapfts by Latham's Hair Clinic - 1991 (Removed 50 plugs by Cooley 3/08.) 2750 FU 3/20/08 by Dr. Cooley Current regimen: 1.25 mg Proscar M-W-F Rogaine 5% Foam - once daily AndroGel - once daily Lipitor - 5 mg every other day Weightlifting - 2x per week Jogging - 3x per week |
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My Hair Loss WebLog Follicular Salvation Club Member |
I myself haven't seen much repair work from either, though I am sure they are both very much capable, as they are excellent clinics. I would inquire to both and ask them to show you a sampling of repair work, and ask them their specific thoughts on your situation. In fact, I would do this with multiple Coalition clinics that you have an inkling towards, or that are close by to you.
At the risk of sounding like a cheerleader, I've seen some very impressive repair work from Feller floating around the net, and I know he has taken on some very difficult cases. Take that for whatever it's worth. Shapiro, as well, I have seen and heard very good things regarding repair work. I am sure there are other excellent docs that are experienced in repair, but from my personal experiences in research, that is what I've gleaned. I honestly don't know who is the best, but you can't go wrong digging into various clinics that are 1st rate and seeing which ends up making the most sense to you! Follicular Reclamation Project: Dr. Feller, 3K, 1/8/08 Propecia 7x Nizoral 2%/Toppek S&C Rogaine Foam 5% (starting post-HT) Toco-8 Nanogen Hair Expander |
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My Hair Loss WebLog Guru Real Hair Club Member |
Dr. Epsteins site is foundhair.com look under patients photos and then look under reparitive work. Good luck!!!
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Hard Core Real Hair Club Member |
Hi D3,
Both docs are top notch, I had my procedure with Dr. E and I do remember, when I was in consultation with him, that a good number of patients go to him for repair work. as djd mentioned, his site displays some examples. You can ask him for specific samples if you have not already done so. HIGA 2400 Grafts with Dr. Epstein 11/8/06 Nizoral 3X/week Rogaine foam 2x/day |
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Real Hair Club Member |
Dr. Wong is a practical guy money wise. He knows how expensive HTs are and will work with you for a reasonable price for a reasonable area of your hair. Its works both ways, so be prepared to compromise a bit for that.
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My Hair Loss Weblog Follicular Salvation Club Member |
BTW, that doesn't look like all that bad of a job from the previous tp. Mine was in 1991 and it looks worse, and I've thought mine was ok for the time. I think a world-class surgeon could do wonders for you. 300 'mini' grapfts by Latham's Hair Clinic - 1991 (Removed 50 plugs by Cooley 3/08.) 2750 FU 3/20/08 by Dr. Cooley Current regimen: 1.25 mg Proscar M-W-F Rogaine 5% Foam - once daily AndroGel - once daily Lipitor - 5 mg every other day Weightlifting - 2x per week Jogging - 3x per week |
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Mentor Real Hair Club Member |
Thanks guys. I have had a face to face consult w/ DR.E and he's a great guy and gave me realistic expectations. I also talked to Mike, a consultant from H&W and he was a little more blunt about things w/ me concerning other clinics and what he thinks i may need. To be honest he was a very nice guy, but i didnt quite know how to take him. I've visited both DR E's and H&W's sites and they both do great work from what i can tell. I would be interested in getting some replies from people who have had HT's w/ either one of these guys.
BTW Dewayne.. The picture that i posted was 1yr after the HT and none of it grew. Thats what i get for going to Bosley. I know better this time. Thanks Again!!! |
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My Hair Loss WebLog Guru Real Hair Club Member |
Dakota ask away what would you like to know about Dr. Jeff Epstein? Im just 40 days post-op
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Guru Real Hair Club Member |
Dakota3
Whatever you do....don't rush. I liked Epstein. He was a straight shooter....no BS sales. He's fully booked because he's one of the best...tells you what he thinks...and leaves it up to you to think about. We all have different needs as patients. I just felt Epstein's approach was for me. If you care to share...what did the Docs you visited so far think you need in terms of graph count ect. ?? MH |
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Veteran Real Hair Club Member |
Dakota,
I went through a long search before deciding on Epstein. It is very likely you will get a higher yield from Hasson because they are more aggressive in the amount of tissue they remove, but hopefully Doctor Epstein gave you a decent graft estimate. He underestimated on me and I was happy he could get more than he said he could!! I also spoke with Mike and he was a bit of a saleman type but I had spent so much time reviewing Hasson's results on the forums that I did not doubt what Mike was telling me. |
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Mentor Real Hair Club Member |
DR.E and H&W are the only 2 consults iv'e had. Im from N.H and had traveled down to DR. E in NY for the consult. He had said i need about 2200 grafts, but considering i did not want to extend the lentgh of my original scar he said he could get about 1750 out of it. My biggest concern beleive it or not is to make the scar look a little better. with the following procedure i would propably go a little more aggressive.
djdennis.. How are things going so far? How does the scar look/feel? more_hair/condoguy.. are you guys completly happy w/ dr.E's work? this question may not be able to be answered but..All things being equal (same # of grafts etc) which doctor seems to be able to make the most cosmetic differance? |
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Guru Real Hair Club Member |
Dakota3
The last thing I am is a doctor...but I'll tell ya what i feel is correct...some other guys/docs may also jump in here. From what i understand if you have a past donor scar that needs repair....the following procedure can repair it. I will tell you that i'm only 3 1/2 months post-op and my donor scar looks awesome. It's basically pencil line thin and white making it hardly detectable....think what it's going to look like in a year. It's funny how in front of my eyes it went from red to pink to white. It's really to early to give full review of my recipient area...but so far things are growing already and friends of mine have commented on how natural it looks...including my barber. My barber has looked at many past "jobs" and said it's the best scar he's ever seen. I'm curious why don't you want to extend the scar ?? If Dr.Epstein suggests you need 2200 graphs...in my opinion...get them. My scar length went from the top of one ear all the way around to the top of the other. As long as it's in the safe zone...who cares?? Also I'm a little confused. You said this procedure you don't want to extend the scar...but you also said you want to go more aggressive this time. Curious what you mean. MH |
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Mentor Real Hair Club Member |
More_hairs
Sorry i wasnt more clear about that. What i meant is that this next time i dont want to extend the length of the scar because until the hair starts to grow in i will keep my hair really short. Then after this procedure i will choose to go more aggressive on the next (3rd) one. Dr. E said he cant make any promises on making the scar look better, but i feel as though he just doesnt want to give a false sense of hope. Sounds like he under promises and over delivers. Thats good! |
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Guru Real Hair Club Member |
You are correct.
Epstein is real down low and cool. The last thing he does is jump around his office and tell you what you want to hear. I liked that about him. I'm still a bit confused....but some that know me say that's pretty common....lol Where are you on the Norwood scale ?? MH |
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Mentor Real Hair Club Member |
Im really not sure about my nw scale. im a diffuse thinner. thin on the whole top of my head but not completley bald anywhere yet! i added a pic during my original post so maybe you can tell me. sorry about the confusion!
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Guru Real Hair Club Member |
No problem.
I would stick very close to what the docs suggest. Your hair is very short...kinda hard to see current coverage. If you've had past work I'm sure Dr.Epstein has the correct approach for this and future work. Alot of variables like donor density,scalp tightness,and age all weigh in very heavily in all cases. The great thing is you should go on as many consults as you can. This will give you a real good picture of your situation. MH |
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My Hair Loss WebLog Guru Real Hair Club Member |
Dakota im pretty good!!! I had the dissolvable sutures and the scar seems to be good. I read that people had numbness on there donor area for awhile. I had all my senses back in just about 10 days. The scar takes awhile to heal,but no complaints. I see you are from New Hampshire. Did Dr. E let you meet one of his patients?
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My Hair Loss WebLog Guru Real Hair Club Member |
Yeah Dr. E does seem to go lower with grafts but he looks at the more practical side,but not as conservative as some other docs. He is in the middle. He told me 2300 to 2400 grafts, but pulled out 2953. So it goes to show you about him that he will go lower not to get your hopes up to high and then gives a joy shocker at least to me. He does go a little higher on the donor scar compared to others but thats the safe zone and you as dr.E states that the hairs are nice there lol. Im just in the waiting stage im almost at the 2 month stage with no shockloss and I pretty much still have almost all my new hts still in place. I guess its rare,but the doc said thats not bad either.
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