NicNitro,

These are terrific questions, but please start a new relevant thread to discuss this.

Thank you,

Bill (Falc)

Um for you NO.
Damn boy I got deep into your head .
I love it .
For others I will soon enough.
I owe it to the forum not you.
Ill tell you what Nic If you help out 50 posters on here with detailed answers to their questions and address PGP as Mr PGP Ill do that just for you.
You just cant come on asking for request without offering something back
Deal?
Oh and by the way Nic anytime somebody says out of curiosity its never for that reason

That's a fascinating response from Farrel to me on hair loss help, but not unexpected. It's obvious Farrel is skirting around the issues by directing attention at me and other unrelated issues. I've also read his evasive responses to others at http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...thread=y&STARTPAGE=5.

Wantego, great idea about the PMs, but Latinlotus is right. Farrel admitted that he reads them, so I'd rather not. But we've certainly dialogued on hair loss help for sure!

Farrel, since you seem to have no intention of answering my or your other members' questions, I'll leave you alone.

Falceros, do what you wish with this thread.

I'd like to be done with this thread but Farrel among others keep drawing me back in with childish comments like

"Just look at who profits from all of this to know who is behind this...."

and

"I think we all know who had the most to gain by sabotaging this forum. "

Despite these insinuations, the Publishers of this community have nothing to do with, take no joy in, nor do we profit from Farrel's diminishing reputation and site problems.

Our regular patient and quality physician members already know that we have a solid and well respected community completely distinct from the rise and fall of another. In fact, I happen to like the fact that other forums exist. The diversity found in a number of patient forums enables hair loss sufferers to make better choices. I have faith that those who spend enough time reading and researching the major patient forums will be able to distinguish the gold from the garbage.

Like most of you, when I came to the scene four years ago I was looking for real ways to restore my hair. First I found this forum and then Hair Loss Help. It's no secret that I spent the majority of my time here. Personaly, I found Hair Loss Help to be riddled with more controversy and sifting through the hype and fighting to find legitimate information was much more difficult there in my opinion. Nonetheless, I still found merit and did some posting there.

Frankly, I'd rather Farrel and I worked together than against each other for the good of all balding men and women. I made this very clear to Farrel privately over a year ago on Hair Loss Help. However, I was shot in the foot when my idealism and optimism were met with strong resistance and negativity that eventually resulted in Farrel deleting my forum account.

I suppose I have to come to grips with reality that what's ideal for hair loss sufferers doesn't always matter to some forum owners. Farrel has made it clear that we are serious "competition" rather than seeing us as another major resource for balding men and women. All we can do is take heart and do our best to put patients above the petty grumblings and remember why we are all here - to learn, garner support, and restore our hair.

Onwards and Upwards,

Bill (Falceros)

Wow,

put a couple of these swollen heads in the same room and nobody else would have space to breathe.

Farrel,

Whether you choose to tell the truth or lie to your members is up to you. But if you are going to continue to blame the Hair Transplant Network for your problems, be prepared to be called out.

On your forum, "Hopefull" said:

quote:

why do you have to associate this site and you with armani as if you guys are on one side and HTN on the other?Do you really wanna associate your self and this forum with the most controversial surgeon in these forums?

to tell you the truth with all honesty this site taking war sides with a surgeon that trasplants 3000 grafts in hairlines of 20 year olds nw2, that says that we have 20000 grafts available from the donor and that 150 grafts can be easily transplanted into a square centimetre...well that doesnt sound 2 good.

i believe you run the best site in the internet...but this armani thing takes you down day by day in this mud war, not because you are doing anything wrong or illegal or bad...i think its just because you let them advertise in here.I mean come on almost everyone has a brain see the constant flow of BS from this clinic, no matter if they tell you that or not.

If you think that your enemies are trying to take you down...well even so...the enemy always attacks you at your weak spot and this Armani thing is your only weak spot in my opinion.

Your Response:

quote:

I'm not going to argue, you make some interesting points, however these are the facts.

We have been targetted by this same site since day one, over 8 years ago.

It started with doctors being asked to sign an agreement that they would not advertise here in exchange for lower ad rates.

Then it was about Dr Woods, I was being attacked in the same way because I allowed Dr Woods to post here.

Then it was about Spencer Kobren.

Then it was an issue with the H&W posters.

Then it was a issue with that blog that is supposed to be about Cole, but its also about attacking me for some reason, even though I have nothing to do with Cole or that patient.

Now its supposedly about Armani.

Sure, you can say it's because of Armani, but really it's not. It will always be about something because it always has been, since day one.

I think perhaps it's time to consult with a psychologist since you appear to be suffering from paranoid delusions.

I noticed that you used your usual avoidance and redirect tactic. Instead of blaming our community for all of your problems over the years, why don't you take even a hint responsibility and address the real issues YOUR members are concerned about? Oh and which of "hopefull's" points were "interesting"? Inquiring minds want to know.

Then you said:

quote:

Maybe Pats isn't working for Armani anymore, if so what is strange about that? People work for companies and sometimes leave or get fired and no longer represent them.

Pats isn't posting on hairsite either, so my best guess is he might not be representing them anymore.

If you are going to lie, at least lie about things people can't prove against you. I know you follow these boards like a hawk and since you specifically mentioned Pats isn't posting on Hairsite, I assume you actually looked? Just from glancing quickly, Pats' has posted at least 3 times in the last 10 days on hairsite and is clearly still associated with Dr. Armani. Lying weakens your credibility.

It seems like your member "Phil Mascallpen" sees through you like a screen door

quote:

Wow Farrel, you're starting to sound paranoid. Saying Swagger has some malicious intent to your site, directly, indirectly, disguised or whatever is wrong. He's a guy who had an HT, is not happy with it and has become a bit of an activist to help others who are or might end up in the same situation. Yes he goes a bit over the top sometimes, but to imply that he has any other agenda than that sounds to me like you are trying to build a case for future action against him. It seems to me most people think this is the best HT site and if people have to worry about how you "interpret" their posts it'll start a bad precedent.

As soon as you are done pointing fingers at this community for your problems, I'm done posting on this thread.

Bill (Falc)

i just made a post in the pats thread that quickly dissapeared, i would not post here about it but its very unfair for posts to dissapear and generally someone does that when he tries to hide the truth from people.So i will give a brief of my post here so that noone can censor me.

I have been hearing this whole "negativity" trend that some posters are trying to push there on hairlosshelp.It started with the Armani consultants and then some of the propable shills and salesmen.It sounded so funny to me because questioning the BS claims from some clinics has a new name "negativity"...the reality check about the limitations of transplants is named "negativity"

Well this "negativity" thing is the new weapon to ban people, who try to speak some common sense there...after my post about "negativity" i had a PM from farell about my "negativity" to a post from Chrome in a total different matter.Well that seems to give the perfect excuse to ban me AlONG WITH MY GENERAL "NEGATIVITY" ATTITUDE...propably against we know who.

I was asked "politely" to stop posting there lol...just when i thought that this site was on a good way and that the shills and salesmen of BS started dissapearing... maybe they are just laying low until the real problems dissapear .I am very dissapointed because i had faith on that site and i always tried to be fair to it despite all the accusations

very unfair hopefull... i could not agree more..... as you know ive tried to stress the REALITIES of transplants i too have also been labled negative over there also..... then i read some poster over there criticizing feller cause he does not do LOW TEENAGE hairlines!!!! people just dont get it hopefull, they dont get that there is just not enough donor for full covereage in the vast majority of cases, they dont GET that hairloss is PROGRESSIVE, and meds dont last forever, they dont get that in many cases the transplanted hair can LOOK and even ACT different from their native hair. they dont GET FUE limitations, or how difficult it is to re create a natural crown...AND YES ALL OF YOU CLINICS ARE TO BLAME IN PART, I DONT CARE HOW GOOD YOUR WORK IS... ITS YOUR INDUSRTY. young guys just wanna believe the BULL S*** sleezy salesmen sell cause they are young and hurting. THIS POSTER HAS NO IDEA THAT LOW HAIRLINES COME WITH A PRICE 99% OF THE TIME... but when you try to warn, when you try to say 'BE CAREFUL THIS IS SERIOUS SHIT!!!!' your, the bad guy, your the agenda driven poster.... we see just a small % of patient results online, millions dont post and i am SURE that a good % of them(wether they have heard of the forums or not) are finding out the hard way that they were in for WAY more than they first thought.. and an even HIGHER % will know it soon enough as future hairloss sets in..... YOUNG GUYS SHOULD NOT GET HTs... PERIOD.....unless they are already very BALD, and know the LIMITATIONS fully and they UNDERSTAND that they should not expect to have their hair back but rather make a modest improvment.. A MODEST IMPROVMENT IS A SUCCESFULL HT.. yes ther are select "freak" cases but these are the cases MANY CLING TO BUT FEW CAN ACHIEVE..... to bad if you try to help your the bad guy... my thing was NEVER just an armani issue, he just happened to be the sleeziest one there and full for agenda posters and sleexy representation.. not my fault. im not stupid and im not a puss, so i spoke up..... im GLAD Pats205 is gone, and some other douche bag posters have left.. HAIRLOSSHELP IS BETTER FOR IT, i can promise that. but just the simple question raise by me as to why pats chose NOW, given the recent accusations, to stop posting has cause Farrel to state hes going to monitor my posts?? for what????

ill tell you why hopefull, for saying the SAME things you try to say.... i guess our truthful words have to be monitored or filtered.

BTW-- i read what u said to chrome, it was NOT NEGATIVE. i like chrome and im glad he posts, but he was WAY to sensitive there, i thought Farrel responded in a way that made you look as though you had just beaten chromes mother sensless or something. what a joke. u brought valid point across in a constructive manner, as usual... nothing more

This is what Farrel wrote . How much more obvious does it have to be to see through this BS.
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The forum shut down had nothing to do with Armani or Pats, and everything to do with the threats we received about hacking the forum. We had to upgrade to a new version of the software and did not want to leave the forum vulnerable while it was being done.
It seems obvious to me now that the thread deletions were done in order to smear me since despite it being me who informed people of their deletion, it's now being claimed that I did the deletions myself.
When I noticed the threads missing I knew I had better let people know immediately before anyone does and then falsely accuses me of deleting them.
In fact I had a feeling that the person who deleted them would soon show up and make everyone aware of their deletions in order to put the blame on me.
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First of all he says someone hacked into his site and deleted some DAMAGING threads.
In this last post he says he received threats , not that it was hacked.
He said he shut the site down because it was VULNERABLE ,not because it was hacked.
Which one is it Farrel? Was it hacked or not?
Then he goes on by saying he magically found some deleted threads and immediately informed everyone .
Yeah ok buddy you just stumbled upon 3 different threads missing . You have the greatest memory of anyone I know.
He also says he had this "feeling" the person that deleted them would show up.
Who would think that or care if you already notified your posters.
Farrel we all know that this was a business move .
Armani posts ruined your site and there was obviously something worked out at the perfect time of the updated or should I say downgraded site.
I would guess that with all the negative posts on Armani you guys worked something out to where those posts would be deleted if Pats205 stayed away or Armani threatened to sue you .
You were about to lose big money because doctors were complaining to you about every thread being about Armani.
The funny thing is I just read that Armani and you are parting ways because this site was spreading rumors .
You got to be kidding .Thats a joke .
This site NEVER even cared about Armani until he started fue.
For every one negative thread on here there was at least 10-15 on your site in the same period of time.
Why didnt Armani sue you? Your site damaged him WAY more then any other site .
That just shows me you guys had something going on behind the scenes.
Bottomline is your corrupt jagoff.
Your site has become a ghost town and I have nothing but respect for your longtime posters who have stayed away..
Youll still have your gullible and desperate guys posts but you have been EXPOSED for the fraud you are.
Ill give you one warning and that is the guys you have been emailing asking for support are also friends with us over here.
Take what you want from that . Oh yeah Homa admitted he never hacked your site so where are those damaging threads?
What a scumbag?

Game. Set. Match.

now that that scum bag closed my account id like to bring up the FACT that farrel removed a Dr. Umar thread that was damaging to the docs rep... shortly there after with the help of some cherry piced vids Umar is back baby!....
i know for a FACT that this thread was deleted, i remember taking part in in, other prolific posters over there did as well, and some of them have contacted me in private about its disappearance.
this took place many months ago..

hey farrel-- did the "hacker" get that thread too??? idiot. i can only hope that threads vanishing comes back to bite you as well.

HLH has been smeared with Armani and Umar boys n' girls for a bit of time now....shills and otherwise. There is a reason they flock there.

EDIT -- throw in LLLC fanboys too....

Exactly Thanna. Its obvious yet sickening
What makes me laugh is Farrel cant even lie right.
He is so paranoid that he has hung himself a few times trying TOO hard to convince people he is innocent.
Its so obvious but he doesnt care ,
All he needs is to keep his paying doctors happy and a few guys posting results here and there.
Keeping Armani and having 10 other doctors remove themselves is obviously bad business for Farrel
Or Aramni paying to be on HLP yet having nothing but negative posts about them is not good business for Armani.
This was a calculated move on both parts that is falling apart fast.

It seems almost daily now adays that I am taken by surprise by some of the posts I see on Hair Loss Help. This one is a doozy.

On Hair Loss Help, Farrel has just posted the following:

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From Farrel: "The following statement is from the Armani clinic"

From Armani's Clinic: "There have been numerous false claims published on the Hair Transplant Network which are aimed at damaging the reputation of Alvi Armani and Hair Loss Help.

While these allegations are completely false, we believe that in order to end the rumors and speculation it's best if Alvi Armani discontinues our participation on Hair Loss Help as of December 2008.

We extend our thanks to Hair Loss Help and to all forum members."

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What exactly do posts here have to do with Dr. Armani's unwillingness to continue his sponsorship of Hair Loss Help?

I guess the sparks just keep on flying.

Bill (Falc)

From Farrel to Swagger:

quote:

PS If you and your friends are so "concerned" about Dr Umar's work, why don't you ask Falceros and co. if they have ever solicited Dr Umar to join their site?

I don't think it's any secret that we considered Dr. Umar for recommendation Farrel. All the details surrounding his potential recommendation and why we collectively chose not to recommend him can be seen on the Potential Recommendation of Dr. Umar thread.

edited, til i cool down as can better express what a f*ckin scum bag farrel is, and how he should be thanking me for doing my part in calling out BULL S*IT that his dirty ran forum was FILLED WITH.... and posters like my self eventually led to that piece of S*** pulling the plug on Armani for good.a wise move.. we were right all along, and posters like me made your forum better... one thing is for sure, its better now that Pats205, and ARMANI are not welcome...

your welcome farrel, u b*tch...
i just feel bad for hopefull, as he was TWICE the asset i was over there.i saw you 'SETTING UP' his removal in advance also in the chrome thread. you painted hopefull to be an attacker, something you KNOW hes not. you did the same to me in the Pats205 thread. just a SCUM tactic by a OBV scumbag...smart people like the poser 'PHIL MASCALLPEN" know how you work, b*tch. he called your bull shit before you did it.. HA.. you dont give your posters credit for having BRAINS OBV.. this is why you found yourself in SUCH HEAT recently with your dirty ways, and why you prob will again... those who can think and reason see what went on with ARMANI.. its now painfully OBV now, with your recent moves over there.



Farrel-- hope your mother doesnt know the type of man you are...you can be SURE that she would be dissapointed...

farrel, please post where i bad mouthed you BEFORE you banned me.. this joke of a reason is why you sate you banned me and Hopefull.

i never said a word on here about you and you know it. what i DID do is ask a couple questions overr on HLH, which is what the lying scumbag moderator said he would WELCOME and address, instead you fraeked and banned... I WOUNDER WHY?.. cause you have things to hide OBV. and i was right. your side IS a place where one cannot raise questions that strike an OBV nerve with YOU... THIS IS HOW YOUR RESPOND... so your posters are now all aware that the had better folow the flock and take the words of "lord Farrel" as gold without question... cause if they sniff around or get close to the truth then you take action.

AGAIN, post the supposed bad mouthing i did over here that got me banned over there... can you??? i LOVE to see it clown. while your at it post hopefulls too... so your posters know why your getting rid of a good poster...

oh, and you SURE addressed all the armani questions like you said didnt you?? by locking EVERY thread you made, banning the ONE who asked ONE legit question, and then posting a HALLMARK CARD supposedly from ARMANI as to why you ywo were cutting ties.. and it took you like 2 months..LOL... yeah, were all stupid and dont know your hiding something i guess.

Swagger you should be proud of yourself not pissed. It was people like EAZYE, HT55, and yourself that stood up to the bullies on hlp and eventually defeated them.
Modern day David vs Goliath where David finally knocks him down with a stone to the head seizes Goliath's sword and kills him by cutting his head off
Farrel is like one of those small villages in Afghanistan that the Taliban [Armani] set camp up in and try to expand,and recruit , but like those others I mentioned that kept bombarding them you dropped the final BOMB on them and finished the job.
Very few are willing to voice there opinion on the Armani issues yet you weren't afraid .
I would rather have Armani eradicated then Farrel. Its the lesser of two evil deal in this case.
Yes Farrel is a creep ,a liar ,a backstabber ,just a no good selfish moneymaking prick but is he a criminal , I doubt it.
Just a sleazeball looking out for his wallet
On the otherhand what Armani is doing to some of these poor kids is borderline criminal.
We all know that Farrel has been is lying through his teeth . This was confirmed to me from the countless emails Ive received, but why he did it I would love to know.
The bottomline is I would suggest posters to not join his forum but theres nothing wrong with reading it .
Its empty over there now but you could use the search feature and try to weed out all the shills and find some good info.
These are by far the two biggest hair forums and now Armani will have to hustle his crap from the trunk of Shane car.
From what I heard Farrel is so paranoid right now hes was thinking about pulling the plug on hlp.
The problem is some other smaller forum would just take over and the same issues might resurface.
I say let Farrel run his rundown forum. Hes been exposed for the fraud he is . Hes going to have doctors start pulling out soon enough . He had a multitude of chances to save himself but he was too damn arrogant
As long as Armani cant let the attack dogs out anymore you won Swagger.

Hopefull and Lost my swagger:

Welcome to the club of banned on HLH! I knew it was just a question of time.

It is also about time that dr.Armani is getting away from online marketing. While there are many less potential patients on line (when compared to patients that can be reach by say TV commercials), these internet savy users are too sophisticated to be fooled by dr. Armani's hype and marketing machine. Even his favorite servant Farrel & HLH can't save him.

Another words of advice for dr. Armani: forget about lawsuits against HTN also, because it just make matters worse. I hope that over 10 pages of the thread regarding dr.Armani lawsuit against HTN is bad publicity enough.

What an interesting series of manipulative events this has turned out to be. Let’s recap.

1st, two unhappy Armani patient result threads vanish from Hair Loss Help.

2nd, Farrel publicly states someone hacked his site and removed these posts.

3rd, hair loss help goes down for almost a month.

4th, a guy shows up here saying he hacked hair loss help and sees Armani paid Farrel to remove all the bad stuff about him.

5th, hair loss help returns and MANY controversial Armani posts disappear.

6th, I ask about it here along with others and Farrel hurls insults and accusations at me of being a “fake poster”. But he says I won’t be banned if I post my questions there.

7th, Farrel says he’s going to restore the Armani threads and address these concerns on his forum in due time.

8th, when Lost my Swagger and Hopefull question Farrel on hair loss help about Armani issues and the disappearance of Pats who works for Armani, they get banned. Interesting how they get banned for exactly what I was promised NOT to get banned for. Now people can see why I didn’t want to ask him there.

9th, Farrel makes an announcement that Armani and Co are no longer advertising there and blamed this forum for it.

10th, Farrel discontinues allowing any discussion about Armani on his forum.

I don’t think it takes a genius to see what’s really going on here. I think that Farrel removed the first two missing Armani posts himself and then his alibi was to post publicly that a hacker did it in order to save face and appear like the hero.

Then I think he and Armani had some sort of deal to eliminate a huge number of additional negative posts. Anyone who put Farrel under pressure to address these concerns were banned from his forum, or in my case, insulted and accused of being “fake” since he doesn’t know the account I use there to ban me. Now Farrel is trying to banish the issue by discontinuing any discussion about Armani and pinning the blame on this forum. I’m sure that Farrel is also stopping any discussion about Armani to avoid a lawsuit.

Dr. Armani has been highly controversial for years especially since he started doing all FUE. It’s obvious that he’s gotten a lot of backlash for it on many forums. I guess I can understand why their clinic wants to run and hide as much as possible at this point.

It seems that this forum is the only one to stand up to this clinic and all their BULLSH*T hype. I do see Pats doing his usual song and dance now over on HairSite.

Farrel,

Since you questioned why I haven’t asked THIS forum why they’ve made certain decisions publicly:

I DO understand that every forum needs to remove posts and members now and again. You said this yourself on a thread you already removed. I haven’t questioned ANY of your decisions for the last year and a half nor do I question this forum for a number of their decisions. But when forum moderation snowballs into a full blown agenda that hurts patients, you should expect that people are going to call you out on it. I’ll see you on your forum, but you won’t know who I am.