I've read these sites for years without posting until now.

1. (Promotinoal link removed) will rock because Spencer is honest and smart.

2. This site owner & staff manipulates facts for personal gain.

3. HLH: Farrel is a decent guy but paranoid and cannot move on. He is stuck on the fact that this crew is attacking him so they can ruin his site for their personal financial gain.

This site has a web programmer in South Africa right ? Where did the hack of HLH come from ?
Take a guess !

What exactly has been manipulated, and for what specific personal gain, with regard to negative Armani information "disappearing" on HLH?

Also, it is rather ironic -- and inconsistent -- for you to label Farrel as "paranoid", and in one fell swoop make a backhanded implication that HTN has a diabolical programmer that hacked HLH. Whether HTN has a programmer based in S. Africa is totally tangential unless you have some searing knowledge into the matter that you are simply choosing to withhold.

The Reaper,

Since you are clearly not a forum newbie and have a distorted image of what's true and significant, why don't you tell us who you really are?

Are you Spencer in disguise since your very first point was a promotional link to his resources?

I'd also like to know how this site financially gains whether or not Farrel's site thrives or falls. We've been co-existing for years. Our success as a community has no bearing on what Farrel does.

Yes, like thanatopsis, I too would like to know what "searing knowledge" you have that yuo are withholding. Or are you simply here to stir trouble on this community?

Bill (Falc)

The Reaper,

And how exactly would you know where the hack came from on Hair Loss Help? I'd suspect that only the hacker himself would have that kind of information.

And how do we really know there was a hacker since Homa's claims that he hacked Hair Loss Help is unsubstantiated?

Bill (Falc)

Falc Farrel site NEVER got hacked .
He is using that as an excuse for the Armani and laser threads he erased.
Anyway according to Homa he was from I believe Iran where Homas are from, hence the name
Farrell SHOULD be paranoid and Dr Armani should be craping his pants because there are alot of his patients about to overlook that No 9 Breach of contract 5-8 that has fines of 3 million .
It wont hold up.
Farrel remember Jimmyjam you thought was fake , well I read his entire contract that he was handed once he paid ,had his head shaved and was medicated and it was like a deal with the devil.
I also heard how Armani still does certain things that he claims he doesnt and how he even puts patients under for the whole process Why he uses a drill or should I say why his techs use the drill and how and why alot unhappy posters disappeared from your site at around 6-9 months , Hello Shane.
BLACKMAIL at its finest Lets not forget the paid posters Hello Gac and MMAGUY AND Pats205 I mean Eric Fay
I hope that free fue rots on your head. Ill leave the really sick but important stuff for the lawyers.
Farrel you have been exposed and you dont even know the extent of it yet.
Remember JJ told you he felt you were resposible for his poor fue , well he hasnt forgot about the way you slandered him over and over .
Anyway obviously this nerd Reaper is a fool and a liar.
Cant they find any smooth talking cats anywhere.
All these guys with 1 post have no game whatsoever .
you all belong in the D-league
Peace bitches

PLEASE GROW PLEASE,

I see you must be reading the same Dr. Armani "Independent Partner Contract" that I've read. As you know, some of Dr. Armani's patients signed it and agreed to covertly post patient testimonials on the forums on a regular basis as online cheerleaders in exchange for free additional follicles. It's interesting reading isn't it?

I found the clause stating that patients would be fined $3,000,00.00 US if they divulged the contract or made any negative statements particularly disgusting.

"9. Breach of clauses 5 to 8 of this contract by the Independent Partner has a fine of U.S. $3,000,000.00. Breach of contract will be sufficient reason for contract cancellation."

I also found paragraph C and D interesting:

"C. The Independent Partner must participate on the globally recognized hair loss forums as per instructions from Alvi Armani. Participation in the forums must be daily and answers to queries from forum participants must be prompt. Alvi Armani's local Consultant will be responsible in part for your progress and must be informed of the progress at all times."

Is it any wonder there were so many glowing daily testimonials about Dr. Armani on Hair Loss Help?

"D. The Independent Partner will be provided with an e-mail address that is available/accessible to Alvi Armani to view responses and frequency. . . "

Now that's great customer service and surveillance.

"3. The above marketing contribution will be exchanged for a complimentary FUE Hair Transplant procedure which will be authorized by Alvi Armani once the above has been achieved.

"8. The Independent Partner agrees not to make any negative comments or remarks about Alvi Armani, affiliates, related businesses, management, directors, and staff during or after the cancellation or termination of this contract."

So let me recap, as long as the patient sings Dr. Armani's praises each day with no negative comments or remarks he or she will not have to pay a $3,000,000 fine and will get a complimentary FUE procedure with power drill that might possibly grow hair?

What fantasy land does Dr. Alvi Armani live in that he thought he could slip this one by and deceive the online patient community forever? To his credit he did get away with this for years. But not on this site.

In my opinion, now that many of his patients are mad as Hell about their FUE results not living up to the hype, the cheer leading squad is turning into a lynch mob. They and a few other hair heroes certainly light some torches and stormed the castle gate over at Hair Loss Help. From what I see they succeeded in crossing the moat, breaking down the door and tossing Armani off the tower wall, while Farrel Manne sought refuge in the dungeon where he has locked himself in.

I suppose Armani will now have to seek refuge on an obscure fringe forum with the other doctor refuges/rejects. Dr. Armani certainly can't hide on this forum since he was called out a long long time ago by the bright members of this forum community who have a dam good nose for BS.

Sure he tried to intimidate us with a lawsuit that continues to be pending in court but we've held our ground. To see how that lawsuit is working out for Dr. Armani visit " Dr. Armani Lawsuit Against the Hair Transplant Network ". But we've been standing up to Armani and his legal intimidating over here for years so bring it on.

As for Mr. Grimm Reaper,

It's fools like you who make false, baseless and anonymous accusations that almost make free speech seem like a bad idea. You strike me as the type of person who would scream fire in a crowded room to exercise your free speech and then enjoy watching people being trampled to death :-)

Have you just come by to drop poison in the well here or do you have anything to contribute?

Yeah, Spencer Kobren is a real champion of the hair loss sufferer. Kobren promoted Dr. Alvi Armani as a member of his IAHRS physician group until removing him from the IAHRS only several days ago. In my opinion, Spencer knew for well over a year that Dr. Armani had numerous ethical issues such as deceptive advertising, misleading claims, covert paid posters on the forums and more recently numerous reported problems with his FUE procedure. Anyone who has been active on the forums in recent months could hardly avoid knowing this.

Yet only after Dr. Armani was virtually run off the Internet did he have his named removed from the IAHRS membership list. Did Armani run out of money to pay him or did Kobren decide that Armani had become so discredited that having Dr. Armani at the top of his recommended physician list was too much of a political liability?

There are other physicians recommended by Spencer Kobren who were shown the door on this site years ago and for good reason. But that doesn't stop Kobren from collecting their checks.

Reeper, have fun hanging out with your buddy Kobren on his site. You two seem like a good fit to me :-)

Reaper:
You can have your opinion, but it is this site that helped me to avoid incompetent doctors like dr. Armani or some of the ones I consulted locally. If I were not fortunate enough to find HTN, i would probably gone to see dr. Armani, with a result of probably getting FUE HT with 50% yield and about 30K$ poorer. The money, i can gain back, but the 2000 grafts that will likely not grow, will be gone forever.

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Kobren promoted Dr. Alvi Armani as a member of his IAHRS physician group until removing him from the IAHRS only several days ago.

Pat:

Do you have more background info regarding the removal of dr. Armani from IAHRS? I guess it was just a matter of time, even from such a meaningless organization like IAHRS.

Thanks.

latinlotus,

Helping the good guys like you not get ground through the mill is one of the reasons this forum exists. You've certainly paid it forward to this forum many times over.

Pat

WHAT IS THAT??????????????IS THAT A REAL CONTRACT?????

This is disgusting and manipulating...i guess its only with certain patients not all agree to sign this crap

I am sorry to say but this document threatens to demolish the credibility of the hairloss forums on the internet. It brings down the reality of information we receive from patients as feedback.And it generally stands again everything these forums are made for...real feedback from other hairloss sufferers.I am glad this forum took a stand and still does.

What is amazing is that guys like us could cense and spot the BS for a long time now and spoke about it and Moderators, consultants, guys that spend their lifes in forums did not speak about it.I only remember Peter Mac challenging certain claims and taking a stand but he stopped eventually.

I guess the threat to HLH was me and lostmyswagger that we got banned and not others that fed us or cheerleaded the BS for years.We were the problem of that site, we were accused of "negativity" !!!how can negativity not occur when we see the BS and we scream about it and they just let them feed it to us no questions asked!!!How can we not be negative when we find out that the quality of some of the information we received was paid services?

I have to say...Well done to the moderators of this site for trying to protect the public from manipulation, Thank you so much i just wish i was more a part of this site in the past.

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also i would like to say i am sorry for my tone lately of mistrust to forums in general, i think Falceros understands what i am talking about... I should not generalize unless i have examples, there is no excuse for "negativity" towards you especially when you are actually fighting a fight for all of us.cheers

Very eye-opening to see that contract. thanks for sharing it pat.

If that contract is for real I'm very disappointed. I have always said while this is a business BUT we are talking about peoples real lives.

Armani was as a scumbag con-pimp long ago -- this contract, and the other information that has slowly but surely been seeping forth cements it.

It's shocking to see how brazen Armani was in executing his web of deceit, however; no doubt, when he has punk-minions like Farrel it makes him feel more secure, if not godly.

Shane, Pats, Gac, MMA and the rest were drenched with slime and I commend all those who took it upon themselves to stay on that cesspool and fight them.

HLH is definitely hurting because of all this. too bad--it was a site that really helped me out...

Yeah Pat and how about #10 where every pic, blog ,and material has to be approved before posting.
Also Mr Toronto needs to quit flirting with his male patients .
Nothing wrong with it outside the office if thats your thing but 6 guys have told me how uncomfortable they were.
Especially the part about the models . You know Mr what they are talking about.
I would have loved to had my ears open on the talks of F & A .
I haves pages of deciet and tons of pics of crap I could post that would blow back a wig but those are for another day.
Just wait until these guys post their fue result with 20% growth . I mean cases up to 4500 grafts with no more then 1000 growing.
Farrel is just as guilty as he reads pms and allowed these cheerleaders to recuit undercover.
He will be finished also thats a promise . Wait until the truth comes out on him
If Alvi is smart he would refund ALL the money back to everyone that paid for crappy growth , and Farrel should come clean and apologize for his wrongdoings because all these guys are more mad about no remorse then anything else.
Gosh I wish I could tell you guys all the crap that went on in his clinics.
All the experiments all the sexual tension all the poor growth all the secrets all the money all the threats all the new techs coming and going all the pain all the frustration all the lost souls all the Mothersucking f-ing bullsh*t you punksss little bastard have caused.
Your going down buddy unless you come clean and take care of these poor guys until they can smile again.
Im tired of having to comfort all these guys that put their trust in you.
Bring on your lawsuits as this is just small little issue . The big ones will finish you two
I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart.

AHHHHHHHHH! And the truth shall set you free!!!!!!

This contract would explain on the cheerleaders praising Armani every day on hair loss help.

I think I'm going to be ill now. X'cuse me while I go and vomit!

These allegations are mind-blowing!

Any idea when the alleged evidence will be produced?

Disgusting i want to see what Farell will say now that he was saying that this whole thing is an attack from the HTN against Dr.Armani and his site.He easily associated his site with that doctor as if they were the poor victims...

Also he defends himself by saying that all the doctors do it and in all the forums with patients...i thought he could not act on heresay lol.He uses heresay very easily when he has to defend himself and he does not need proof to frop all the doctors and all the forums to the level his has dropped but he couldnt protect the posters or at least not let his forum turned into a shills world.

Everything is pathetic...the dirt is coming out and who knows what else will come...SEE PATIENTS IN PERSON DONT TRUST ANYONE!!!

FSC. None of the guys Im dealing with signed this contract. They just have crappy growth,and yes they will come forward and I believe they have contacted Pat on here.
The unsigned contract I read came from someone Alvi would never suspect .
Im really hoping guys who have signed that contract come forward. Its been sent to an extremely high profile attorney who laughed at it. Add a couple of these guys in the mix and its light out.
There are two contracts.
A normal one and this shady one.
I read over my buddies last night and his was different.
He must not have been gullible looking

curiouser and curiouser....