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Originally posted by hairthere:
HLH is definitely hurting because of all this. too bad--it was a site that really helped me out...

hairthere--- i gree.. i loved that site man. it was just full of scum like MMA, and pats.... it needed to be called out for the sake of the site... seening ALL OF THESE con men falling is VERY refreshing to me. im not gonna lie, but while armani, was probably the the dirtiest bacteria in the HT pool and its GREAT that we have gotten rid of it almost completely, ARMANI IS BY NO MEANS the only harmful bacteria in the pool. i hope your all aware of this.. while the HT pool is MUCH cleaner now, its still FULL of s*** IMO.....
'Hopefull' is right.. see patients IN PERSON!!. this is a forum full of important info. hell i learned a TON on HLH too... there are a lot of good guys over there... but ALL these forums are just ONE of a few TOOLS one needs to look at before making this life changing decision... NONE of these forums are perfect thats NOT a knock, its just true.

LET THIS ARMANI MESS BE A WARNING TO ANY CLINICS WHO EVEN THINKS OF DECIEVEING OR CORRUPTING THESE FORUMS... take your lies, your deciveing pics, your baseless claims, ESLEWHERE b*tches... you WILL get called out. that BS WILL NOT fly, we are not dumb..

The sad thing is that these forums are only a tiny sector of their customer base...

Just think of all the poor vulnerable guys that Armani is sucking in everyday through his television and newspaper ads.

Bosley got away with it for years, so I wonder how long Armani will get away with it for? I suspect we will eventually hear Armani gets his licence pulled as greed usually leads to illegal activity/malpractice in this industry...

BTW, Isnt it illegal to have techs drilling out the fue's? Ive never gotten a straight answer from Shane or Pats about who exactly is doing the extractions...

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The sad thing is that these forums are only a tiny sector of their customer base...

sux2bme,

Larger forum communities like ours are much more powerful and influential than you think. If what we said was insignificant, I imagine Dr. Armani wouldn't be going out of his way to sue us.

You bring up a good point about whether or not it's illegal for technicians to be extracting follicular units.

In the state of California, surgery is defined as any cutting or scoring of the skin. California state law also states that only licensed doctors can perform surgery. It seems obvious that if Dr. Armani's technicians are scoring or cutting through the skin, that they may very well be breaking the law. You can read more about this on the Dr. Armani Lawsuit Against the Hair Transplant Network thread.

Best wishes,

Bill (Falc)

falc, while this forum is a great source of info, are you aware that a strong majority of patients getting HTs have never visited this forum, or any other for that matter?... i believe this is what sux is talking about... the THOUSANDS upon thousands who will STILL be going to places like armani, MHR, Bosley,'phils HT shack' on center st., ect. ect..

WOW!! shocker!! farrel just deleted 2 more threads on his forum... the poster KK williams spoke up about the state of HLH... DELETED..... sux2bme made a thread DOING NOTHING MORE than asking farrel legit questions on how he regulates his site.... DELETED!! yet Farrel PRETENDS like he welcomes questions.. HE PRETENDS and CLAIMS he will answer all the questions about the armani thing, the 'hacker thing.. yet when i simply asked him WHY pats205 vanished he FLIPPED and accused me of being "out to bring him down" just like he says about everyone else. he evetually painted me as the ENEMY and banned me... nice..... your on fire Farrel....... too bad everyone is out to get ya. right?......

your such a phony Farrel. people cant ask you JACK S*IT over there, and if they do you either get in the last word(while YOU play the victim) and lock their thread so ZERO discussion can take place, or you just DELETE it all together and ban the person asking... OR ALL OF THE ABOVE....

or perhaps its the HACKER who deleted those threads too, cause the hacker is out to GET YOU TOO!! what better way than to make it look like you are deleting threads directed to YOU... lol... ive heard you try to sell that one before with the armani threads and the alleged 'hacker' who deleted the threads.

JESUS, you just look more guilty of fowl play as this goes on further.. guess your whole site is JUST FULL of members whose porpose is to bring you down..... KK, and sux, are RESPECTED members over there man, and your runnin them out of town too.. then you wonder why your site is turnig to shit before your very eyes... try actually ADDRESSING A CONCERN FOR ONCE.. instead of just wishing it would all go away.. or just keep banning members, locking and deleting threads, and DODGING EVERY question thrown at you in the process... it makes you look REAL honest and like you have nothing to hide..lol

YEP my thread just got deleted and so did KK's... Dude WTF is goin on over there??? I guess no one is allowed to ask anything anymore. He better just shut the place down if he doesnt have the balls to fight for it.

LOL it's pathetic he talks to himself and laughs alone In his posts.I actually feel sorry for him he hasn't even ever shown his faceand he is a moderator...he is just trying to make money out of this thing at least the moderators here are well known and are not afraid to show their faces.

I am bored he has exposed himself and that site is done only newbees will stay there.I think after all this you have to be a shill or a consultant to stay there after this scandal

sigh.. im hoping this will be my last post in this thread but we will see.. its in responds to FARRELS latest thread on HLH......

farrel i dont want to bring you or your site down.. truth is that place was my baby for the past year and a half.. i cared about it a great deal which is why when i saw it turning to SHIT due to paid posters and shady reps i spoke up.... so again, YOUR WELCOME FARREL for doing my part to clean up the mess YOU let happen.. the question is WHY would you let it happen... i wont lie, i feel you let it happen for money. IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. but big picture here is I DONT CARE.... and i dont really care about you either.. just your site because i became a big part of it....
farrel, your a victim bro(or atleast you playone REALLY well) i want you to listen to me here cause what im saying IS TRUE...

the state of your site, the allegations, the bannings,the shutdown,the countless locked and deleted threads lately, the questions being asked, the posters leaving your site after YEARS of being faithful to it.... ALL THESE THINGS ARE A DIRECT RESULT OF YOU... YOUR ACTIONS, YOUR DECISIONS.... deep down i feel you know this but for OBV reasons you MUST play the victim here... if you do not you stand to lose everything....again.... I DONT CARE either way... the only thing i care about is the fact that you stripped me of my posting privlidges and therefor i cant help others.... you never did expain why since its a fact i ONLY became vocal on this thread AFTER you banned me.. yet you claim it was this thread and the horrible things i was sayin as the reason you banned me...jesus... farrel, you banned me cause you are desparately looking to wash your hands clean of YOUR mess, and posters who call it like they see it can hinder that.. I GET IT. i dont do the dance and ask about the sides i get from fin. i might call you out, you cant have that....
youve lost MOST of your best and most honest posters the past few months, and the ones left know whats up, they will just keep it to themselves cause they know what will happen if they dont.. i dont blame them. farrel, eventually your forum will rebuild and new members will come and MAYBE it can be a wonderful place again... MY ADVICE TO YOU IS WHEN THAT HAPPENES KEEP IT CLEAN THIS TIME.. AND WHILE YOUR AT IT KEEP YOURSELF CLEAN.. you will feel better bud... and id bet the farm if you do this all the big mean bullies u speak of SOOO often that are "out to bring you down" for WHATEVER reason your crazy head has conjured up will cease to exist.. I WILL BET THE FARM! but dirty reputations are HARD to clean up, it will take time. but you can do it if you change your colors. because you see farrel, whether you are man enough to admit it or not. ALL OF THIS FIRE YOUR UNDER IS BECAUSE OF YOU.. ONLY YOU... for your own happiness in life PLEASE find a way to be a man, not a VICTIM...
this advice is my christmas gift to you farrel... MERRY CHRISTMAS

LMS
You were not posting here when you were on hlp so you can help just as many people now that your here.
If you really want to its easy to to become a member on his site even after a banning.
You can have your baby back

PGP-- i plan to be back there, eventually. but thats JUST BETWEEN you and me so dont tell anyone!!!.. im also glad that in all this fire i found this place. i was in my very own HLH bubble for a long time. and im quite happy to have a voice here now. ill use it

Glad to hear that , You seem like a caring guy unlike others we are dealing with

lost my swagger,

If you are so angry at Farrel, why is it your intention to make your way back over there? Why would you even want to?

Whether you realize it or not, this forum has a great multitude of members and guests regularly reading looking for knowledgeble members to help them.

Why not make a home here and help the multitude of patients regularly asking questions all the time?

Bill (Falc)

falc mabye you mis read my post.... i like it here i dont plan on leaving.

but just cause farrel may be a douche bag the real posters over there are not, the newies looking for answers and truths are not.. my whole goal is to share what i know about transplants REALITIES and the HT industry as a whole. as well as try to help some of the guys in real pain over their hair loss. i understand the PAIN that hairloss can bring because ive felt it.. BELIEVE me hairloss have forever altered my life

falc, bottom line is its more people i can attempt to help. this is my agenda and why eventually ill be doing so on BOTH forums..
like i said, i love the site, just not the moderator and i still want to try and help guys out. hope that makes sense

Swagger,

I appreciate your heart to help people on this and other forums. I trust you'll find there are plenty of people here to help.

Before I moderated this site, I found myself focusing on a single site (this one), because it was virtually impossible to keep up with all the forums.

But if you have time to help people on other forums too, more power to you :-).

Perhaps you'll have to create some "lost my swagger" clones to be in multiple places at the same time :-)

Bill (Falc)

http://www.webreportr.com/sites/hairlosshelp.com

dropping like a stone

Hi Everyone =)

This is my first post on this site, as I have just joined. I am however, a long standing member on HLH (since june 2006) and a regular poster over there. I have had an extrememly positive experience there and while I try to visit the site at least once a week, and stay current on the technology, I am not really an internet guy, so while I read of the turmoil and some issues about "another site" I really never loooked into it, until today. I was very suprised at what I have read and decided to join this site as a result and share my thoughts.

Firstly: I went to a butchered clinic over 5 years ago which left me scarred and very depressed. It was at this point during this depression when I realized the realities of HT's and began my long road of researching. It was on HLH 4 years ago that I came across the HT gods of Hairtransplants (i.e. hasson and wong) and had a repair surgery from Dr. Hasson of 1350 grafts which 6 months later restored my hairline, youth, looks and above all, happiness. I can't even begin to tell you every day when I wake up and come my long hair straight back how happy I am to have found HLH as they led me to Hasson and Wong.

I am writing the above to denote my backstory as well as make a blanket statement: say what you will about HLH, it has saved and helped many newbies from going to a butcher and or like me, restoring their confidance by guiding us to a good clinic.

It has been almost 3 years since my HT, I have no thought about hairloss, nor worries, yet I regulate that forum on a weekly basis out of a sense of obligation to pay it forward to the newer, younger guy who is where I was: I say this to give my background and state that I am writing this email without any direct contact ever with Farrell or admin over at HLH and do so out of my genuine belief of what that site has done for many including myself.

THOUGHTS:

Farrel and HLH:

I will be the first to admit that I find Farrel at times harsh and abrassive, however, I do find him to be fair as more than lenient with "most" posters as long as they do not cross a personal line of attacking which would never be accepted in the real world, let alone online.

I will also say that numerous threads about Armani are still there on HLH inlduing one which I began as a major campain to clarify and resoulte the claims in regards to armani. You can do a searh for "questions for armani clinic".

Not once did farell state I could not ask questions, he said that I could not attack them however as there was a level of ethic and conduct on the forum which would be acceptable to a newbie coming on to the forum. THis was very smart on his side as it allowed the questions and issues about this clinic to be raised, while remaining in a debate manner rather than being personal. This is very important as when the "attitude era" of HLH began last year, I myself and many posters, including newbies were turned off by this.

I have only once ever directly publicly on HLH stated my gripe with any poster, and this was LMS (losy my swagger). I will not say anything now that i have not said publicly on HLH; however, I was one of MANY regular posters who found his manner - not his message (I agree with his message) to be such a turn off, and annoyance as not only did he share his opionions in an abbrasive manner, he did so in numerous threads that had nothing to do with his ideology and would hijack the threads.

I complained about this, and so did others, and to my understandind (and this is strictly my opinion) after numerous warnings from Farrell and others asking him to taper his attitude, was appropriately banned. I am only explaining this as there has been a lot in this thread suggesting that Farrel did something wrong (and while i disagree with some things Farrell does)in this regard, yet i believe that the loss of LMS on HLH was not a loss and in fact a gain as most of us would simply skip over threads which had been hijacked by him. I don't mean this rudely, but he bottom line of belief I have about these sites is that they are for the newbie and the information needs to be relayed in a non intimidating manner as so those who are new to these forums will be receptive to hear it. During the last year over at HLH this was not happening and banning of certain members has helped (at least in my opinion) the site return to an informative place: which i see as currently happening.


I would like to say that for the most part i 95% agree with LMS and his message against armani and other butcher clinics, and 100% agree with his frustration, I simply did not at all agree with this approach which ultimately is why i believe he was banned. Again this is my interpretation of the situation.

Farrell and Armani:

I am not aware of what has happened, however, as a major reader and anit - armani person, I will simply tell you what I have found over my years of reading the thousands of posts over at HLH regarding Farrell and Armani.

I have found no person to be a bigger proponent and request for proof of claims in a factual and argumentative manner with Armani and his clinic reps than Farrell. He spent thousands of posts challenging them and not allowing their claims to go unanswere and unaccounted: Based simply of the literature of posts on HLH (which is all there for you to read) I can only laugh at the idea that someone as vocal towards the Armani clinic would be in any way associated with them beyond a professional manner.

They have now parted ways, ther is no new armani blogs on HLH. THANK GOD. There is a huge wealth of information which shows the clinic to be unethical liars. Thank god the PR has stopped and the site is back to doing what it should have been doing: helping the newbie.

I have found a renewed joy in going to HLH becuase of these changes and am happy to see the site returning to its former self.

ARMANI:

I applaud what is being done here on this site to bring truth to what I had known about the shady results and underhandedness of the Armani clinic from my own personal consultations, over the phone and in person with them (I completely was shocked at the arrogance of the reps, however, I blatantly told Armani himself of his reputation online, and i was surprised at how calmly and well mannered and polite he was. I really did and do get the impression Armani genuinely cared) , but i also feel that as much as a site should discredit a bad doctors, the emphasis is about shining light on the positive clinics like hasson and wong, rahal (and even though he's not included on this site it seems) Dr. Umar.

I applaud this site for doing what it is doing, but i also applaud HLH for doing what they are doing. Both is a means to an end. Different sites offer different things. Frankly I am happy to see a site that gets back to the issues of hair restoration in the hair transplant section and not bashing the same doctor and moving forward with the technology.

I believe that we should be looking to posters like Reverse the Curse, hopeful, tksakalos, NicNitro etc: the vets who come here to push results and don't get emotionally invested in a virtual site to give us the best and most unbiased information. not those who have personal gripes and emotional problems and agendas.

Sure I don't like what armani did, and I hated my HT from my butcher in Qubec City (dr. gnaud for those who want to know), but i had my repair surgery, I moved on: and my story of my encounters with these doctors is far more positive than attacking and bashing that has been going on on these sites.

1) Meet the doctors in person
2) educate yourself on the procedures, and see patients photos
3) Meet the patients in person with similar hair loss patterns and hair charactersitics as you
4) Dont pull the trigger to past (i.e. dont get an HT quickly) think about it, and be REALISTIC with what you can achieve.


ABOVE ALL) Don;t get caught up in the hype, bs, politic of these sites; bottom line why we all came here in the first place is to fix our hairlosss. I can't believe how off toping and personal it has become.


Just my 2 cents.

Smitty

smitty49,

Thank you very much for your "lengthy" post.....BUT......Farell is just PARANOID. One of his "NEW" requirements is to accept ONLY people with email domains that are "traceable" (meaning no public emails like gmail, hotmail, yahoo etc) I call this PARANOID.

You are missing the point completely, although this thread is about Armani, it is also about Farell "policing" EVERYTHING that has to do with Armani, you call this FAIR?

The problem is, Farell lost his credibility, the fact that Armani is exposed has NOTHING to do with Farell, it is MAINLY because of THIS site. Because Pat wouldn't budge down to law suit THREATS. This site is TRANSPARENT, Farell's site IS NOT. PERIOD.

My $0.02

Welcome .
HLP lead my friend and almost myself to Armani .
WEEEEWWWWW!!!! Just my two cents.

Quote I applaud what is being done here on this site to bring truth to what I had known about the shady results and underhandedness of the Armani clinic from my own personal consultations, over the phone and in person with them
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Farrel let it go on far too long with and we still dont know who decided to part ways.
I bet it wasnt Farrel .