I have to catch a plane back to Atlanta. So I will continue to debate sometime over the weekend. Everyone have a good weekend.... MwAMBA, Jess, Falsclorsis, and others.

Yeah, there are docs who can do fue on every patient---- they keep using larger and larger instrumentation to punch out those darn difficult grafts!!!

Oh, and if they transect some hair, what's the problem?

I mean a 3 hair graft with 2 transected follicles still yields a successful 1 hair graft, so we can count it right?

Come on guys, let's be real here.

There are fue patients who are candidates with .75-.9 extraction devices and then there are those who need larger tools 1mm +

Anyone needing larger than .9mm extraction tools is probably not a good candidate.

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Originally posted by hairtech_:
I have to catch a plane back to Atlanta. So I will continue to debate sometime over the weekend. Everyone have a good weekend.... MwAMBA, Jess, Falsclorsis, and others.

Falsclorsis??? Is this some sort of STD?? LOL Falc, you might want to change your name!



B-Spot, you are rock solid as always.

hairtech,

Since you do consultations with various doctors on request, please disclose who you are currently working for in your signature. It's in the forum rules. Thanks.

B Spot....

right on bro...we are on the same page.

Nobuzz...no idea what a Falsclorsis or any variation of is...I suppose he THINKS he is being funny

Falc

Hairtech,

You talk trash about me even though you've never even met me or a patient of mine. Anytime you have the balls to speak that way to my face you know where to find me. It's beyond me how any doctor would let you touch their patients.

Only 3 weeks ago, you had the gaul to send me your resume and beg me for a job. Problems at Dr. Cole's office? You were such a zealous defender of his only a few months back, what ever could have happened?

After your trash talk about me what in the world made you think I would even consider hiring the likes of you? It's "independent clinical consultants" like you that give HT a bad name. That's why I didn't even respond to the resume you sent-other than to laugh loudly when reading it. Man are you full of yourself.

Character and credibility are everything in the medical business. You have shown that you have neither. Don't bother sending your resume to me again.

Dr. Feller

I Just got done reading this posting and found it very interesting.

I just cannot find out why Dr Feller is getting so upset at Hairtech, I don't see any post that was trying to trash you.

I think the point that was just being made that the procedure is performed and perfected by other than yourself.

I just think it brings down the idea of open thoughts when people start posting personal attacks.

DR. FELLER

I like sraight talk and you are a no bull kinda guy. man i wish our politicains could say what they mean. google building 7...most our politicain are even more rotten than a bad hair transplant doctor. If all docs were like feller everyone would have a hair transplant. Dr. Feller is the man.

"It's "independent clinical consultants" like you that give HT a bad name. That's why I didn't even respond to the resume you sent-other than to laugh loudly when reading it. Man are you full of yourself."


-Touche.
I am a little confused regarding Hairtechs disclaimer.
He say he is independent.
How can someone be independent and work for world renowned physicians at the same time?
And what exactly is a "hair technologist"?

I have to agree with Dr. Feller. After reading a number of hairtech_'s posts, hairtech_ is definitely full of himself.

Just my opinion, of course.

I agree with Dr. Feller 100% here - an "independent HT consultant" sounds suspiciously like somoene who's just not that great at what they do. If they were, a doctor they worked with would want to incentivize them to stay on his/her staff permanently, usually financially. Conversely, someone who is bad ta what they do would change the office they work for often, usually as their results catch up to them down the line.

When someone like this explains why a doctor, universally acknowledged as superb and with many years of experience, does not know what he is doing... well, I can see said doctor getting annoyed. It's the equivalent of a 1st year analyst at an investment bank slamming Warren Buffett.

What impressed me most, though, was the fact that Dr. Feller does not hire "consultants" as technicians. The ones he has working for him have been with him for years, which shows both experience & accountability (how do I know this - I asked the techs).

Well, Dr. Feller certainly put a smile on my face!!!!

I couldn't quite pin down where I knew that guy from, but after reading Dr. Feller's post, I remember!!!!

One of the Atlanta based FUE shills who have recently lost their jobs with the new pricing and "restructuring" going on.

LMAO!!!!

Anyway, glad to see that my suspicions were correct.

Later Guys,
J

KJP--- Dr. Feller is referring to another site and several other situations.

Take Care,
J

As far as pricing is concerned, I agree that it's perfectly fine to charge for an attempt at the procedure, provided prior notification is given. It's fair and capitalist and God bless it, because we all saw pure communism fail and we're all watching Europe groan under the strain of incorporating too many socialist ideas into their systems.

Someone once said that socialism is a great system - for ants. Of course, an ant probably wouldn't survive the FUE extraction process so that's neither here nor there.

Bottom line is, as long as a patient knows that they'll get to pay whether FUE works or not and that they always have the option of strip, it's fair. No sense complaining about it. Whether losing $4,000 hurts the doctor or the patient more is immaterial. What if the patient is Warren Buffett? Do we suddenly reverse the standard? And who decides?

No, as long as the patient books the appointment knowing what they're getting into, Dr. Feller can and should collect. He does great work and charges less than most anyway.

Great posts and very informative. What is the difference between fue and strip? I assume fue is hair by hair so no scar and downtime and is taken at random points from the donor site? What is the most that can be taken? What limits all people from having fue other than donor area quantity? What is the price per fue as an average? Isn't fue the best way to go for a prospect with say a 2 to 3a level of loss and with great donor hair available? I assume so forcosmetic reasons and scaring issues etc. Any other reasons why one over the other would be apprecaited. For instance I am a 2a approx, age 51 (damn, where did the years go to?), curly dark hair and very full hair on back of head and lots of it. I am losing in the front third but still have enough to cover so want it thickened up. I also still have a front forelock so assume I would be a good candidate but at $10 per graft or hair or whatever a fue actually is and if I wanted 2-3000 hairs that's a $30k cost. Ouch! Who is the best fue doctor)s) around? Thanks and sorry for the long post. Reagrds to all. Interesting posts.

Hairraising,

Check out these threads that will hopefully help you understand the difference between Strip verses FUE:

http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=569...601075613#3601075613

http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=569...791065613#1791065613

Falc

Falc, thanks for the posts and links. Very informative. For someone like me a fue will probabaly be good as my age at 51 and remaining hair puts me in a 2a/3 max and that's being realistic and I have a lot of curly hair. My question is what is the problem with knowing who is a good candidate for fue prior to being operated on? I don't understand that and there is no real explanation in any of the posts. Is it to do with donor hair or what? Thanks.

hairraising,

I believe a doctor should be answer your question, however, the way I understand it, simply put, some scalps may prove to be more difficult when trying to extract the FU grafts. It A doctor can only do so much with the instruments they have...the rest depends upon the person's physiology. Unfortunately, there is no way to know whether scalps will cooperate until the surgery is started. Unfortunately, there ARE some less than ethical doctors that will continue to perform the surgery anyway...but at a cost. The graft yield will be smaller since many FUs could be damaged during the extraction process.

I believe there is some more detailed information posted by Dr. Feller in this thread.


Falc

Hairroot's updated picture:

Hairoot buddy !

What a pic , it looks like something from the Davidoff advert hahahahahaaha

Cracking hairline and all from FUE only .

TOP SURGEON = TOP RESULTS I find myself saying this alot , but there is certainly no denying it hahahaa

well done
richie