To all forum members,

I have sent the below email request to all the leading clinics that have patients posting on our forum. I'm asking that they provide hair counts and donor strip sizes to their patients so that this valuable information can be included in their posts.

I ask all members of this forum to make an effort to also provide hair counts in their forum posts and in their weblogs. I know that some do not currently have this information. But your clinics may make this info available to you on request. If you do obtain this information please update your posting signatures and weblogs with this info.

I suggest that those who get future surgeries request this information on their day of surgery.

I appreciate your help in advance in making such detailed information the standard of accurate measurement on this forum.

Let's count hairs not just grafts.

All the best to all, Pat


Email sent to leading physicians Thursday afternoon:

Dear leading physician,

As follicular unit sessions have grown in size and refinement both physicians and patients have been asking - what size sessions are safe and cost effective?

During the ISHRS meeting in San Diego Dr. Ron Shapiro and Dr. Jerry Wong will be debating this issue. But this issue has been hotly debated on our discussion for months, if not years.

Most patients would like to restore their hair in as few surgeries as possible – all things being equal. But concerns about growth rates, hair counts per graft and the potential for increased donor scarring are hotly debated.

Right now a topic on our forum entitled "What is the optimal Ultra Refined Follicular Unit Procedure?" already has over fifty replies and over 1,000 views during the past two days. In this topic, patients have been supportive of my request that physicians and patients post not just their graft counts but also their hair counts and ideally the size of the donor area removed.

I believe that hair counts by graft (i.e. 400 one hair grafts, 725 two hair grafts . . . etc.) provide patients with more accurate and detailed information about their surgery, which they can then share online. This also enables potential patients to make "Apples to Apples" comparisons between various surgical sessions and techniques.

I ask that you please supply all your patients with both their hair count by graft size and the size of their donor area removed, in case they care to share their surgical results online. In any case, I expect that patients will appreciate such info even if they choose not to share it.

Let's commit to hair counts as the standard of measurement on our discussion forum so that we can have a fair and level playing field for all clinics, techniques and patients.

Please reply and let me know if you are willing to provide such information to your patients.

Onwards and Upwards,

Pat Hennessey

I like it, Pat. Sounds like a fair and logical approach.

Bushy,

You have had a relationship with H&W above and beyond that of a normal doctor and patient. Say good bye to your credibility. I know this and have known this, but you have continued to post and interject yourself where there is debate with the subject matter involved, unknowing to the majority of posters. That is quite scandalous not to have that in your signature.

"Professional services" huh. That goes above and beyond normal doctor patient relationship. Put this "professional services business relationship with H&W" in your signature when you are commenting on other doctor's results, or might I say when you are belittling other doctor's results. It should also be there in your signature when you post your own results, photoshop does wonders don't it.

As far as my short brief posting history. All I can say is I have been honest, can't say the same for you. And no I'm not bitter, I'm a true consumer advocate.

quote:

Originally posted by Landen:
Bushy,

You have had a relationship with H&W above and beyond that of a normal doctor and patient. Say good bye to your credibility. I know this and have known this, but you have continued to post and interject yourself where there is debate with the subject matter involved, unknowing to the majority of posters. That is quite scandalous not to have that in your signature.

"Professional services" huh. That goes above and beyond normal doctor patient relationship. Put this "professional services business relationship with H&W" in your signature when you are commenting on other doctor's results, or might I say when you are belittling other doctor's results. It should also be there in your signature when you post your own results, photoshop does wonders don't it.

As far as my short brief posting history. All I can say is I have been honest, can't say the same for you. And no I'm not bitter, I'm a true consumer advocate.

Landen, where are your pictures? Who performed your surgery? And for which "consumers" do you advocate? Pat, the owner and publisher of this site, knows the full scope and extent of my past professional relationship with H&W (which has long since ceased), during which my signature did, in fact, state it.

You show me where I "belittled" other doctors' results, and I'll give you $100.

And now you're accusing me of fixing my pictures with Photoshop? Jees, you're funny. Are you sure I'm not Dr. Hasson himself incognito? i think he and I kinda look alike . . .

How many posters on this and other forums have you met in person? Can you name them? I have met about two dozen, and I can name them. They've looked at me up close, under lights, and even run their fingers through my hair.

Where do you live? I hereby invite you to meet with me any time in the Greater New York City area. Then you can inspect me up close and take a full set of digital pictures with the camera of your choice, and post them here for all to see. And take a video of my tricho "scar."

It is unfair to the consumers on this site when people are posting and have reason to have bias for a doc beyond a normal doctor and patient relationship. Consumers need to make an informed decision.


I said what I have to say on the subject matter.

I am not going to have a debate with PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE employees/business partners of H&W. They get paid to do this and I don't!

quote:

Originally posted by Landen:
I am not going to have a debate with PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE employees/business partners of H&W. They get paid to do this and I don't!

Hi. My name is Landen. I'm all bark and no bite. I accuse everyone whose opinion differs from my own of being a fraud.

Pat asks for a "friendly debate" so I accuse posters of being paid shills and of manipulating photos, and I accuse doctors of defrauding their patients. I'm a real nice guy, you see.

I am extraordinarily opinionated on the subject of hair transplantation (heck, I even tell highly regarded surgeons how ridiculous they are), but I have yet to post a single picture or anything whatsoever about my hair transplant history. I don't need to do that stuff -- I'm much better than all of you losers! My name is Landen!

Hey Landen, there is definitely a need for a skeptical voice here. I, for one, as a newbie considering a HT, appreciate it. I think you would help your own credibilty a lot if you would not allow yourself to be sucked into personal attack fests.

quote:

Originally posted by Rickmonius:
Hey Landen, there is definitely a need for a skeptical voice here. I, for one, as a newbie considering a HT, appreciate it. I think you would help your own credibilty a lot if you would not allow yourself to be sucked into personal attack fests.

Rickmonius, a sceptical voice is always welcome, and encouraged. I may have missed it, but can you show me where Landed got "sucked into personal attack fests?"

Welcome to the boards. I hope you are able to find the kind of real information that I did here, and look beyond personal attacks.

Rickmonius,

Those are the greasy tactics they use to humiliate and silence. I am fully aware of it and I know when they are sucking me into the attacks, manipulating and deceiving.

I continued only for the benefit of the truth to be heard.


To the others,

I am done posting on this thread as I will not continue to debate and subject myself to the attacks at the hands of past, present, and future employees/business partners of H&W!

quote:

Originally posted by Landen:
I am done posting on this thread as I will not continue to debate and subject myself to the attacks at the hands of past, present, and future employees/business partners of H&W!

Landen, it's too bad you didn't just stick to the points and engage in a "friendly debate." As Rickmonius said, your skeptical voice would have been welcome.

Landen, I can appreciate your interest in full disclosure in signatures. I have certainly been a stickler for this over the past two years in particular. Bushy did work in the past for Hasson and Wong as an attorney. At that time, at my request, he did state this in his signature, while he was employed by them.

But he was paid to be a legal advocate in court and not an advocate online. So I think it is not necessary for him to have such a disclaimer in his current posts.

Bushy and Landen, I appreciate both of your contributions. But let's get back to the issues of interest to all of us - sessions sizes and hair counts.

So who's on board for presenting hair counts and donor strip measurements? Can I have show of replies?

Landen vs. The Lawyer............

landen wins by tko in the 3rd round


Just kidding guys

Thank you for clarifying that, Pat.

Now back on subject: I'm for hair counts. It may be tedious for the clinics to do it, and in my opinion the count won't make a big difference in the end, but for the sake of industry uniformity I vote in favor.

quote:

Originally posted by MMA fighter:
Landen vs. The Lawyer............

landen wins by tko in the 3rd round


Just kidding guys

Wait, I thought I thought "no mas" meant you lost!

Pat, I believe you know my vote on this.

I don't see this as a tedious task for the clinic as the clinics all have the graft count already. It's just one more column of numbers with basic math thrown in.

quote:

Originally posted by Bushy:

quote:

Originally posted by Rickmonius:
Hey Landen, there is definitely a need for a skeptical voice here. I, for one, as a newbie considering a HT, appreciate it. I think you would help your own credibilty a lot if you would not allow yourself to be sucked into personal attack fests.

Rickmonius, a sceptical voice is always welcome, and encouraged. I may have missed it, but can you show me where Landed got "sucked into personal attack fests?"

Welcome to the boards. I hope you are able to find the kind of real information that I did here, and look beyond personal attacks.

Sorry Bushy, I guess my post reads a little one sided. I wanted him to stick around but to drop the personal attacks. That's all. Your four month shots are awesome. I just wish I had your donor area!

quote:

Originally posted by Rickmonius:
Sorry Bushy, I guess my post reads a little one sided. I wanted him to stick around but to drop the personal attacks. That's all. Your four month shots are awesome. I just wish I had your donor area!

No problem at all, Rick. I understand your intentions.

Thanks for the compliments. I just can't wait to be able to stop using Dermmatch. It will be 15 years since I woke up in the morning, brushed my hair back, and walked out the door!

What's your donor area like?

Bushy, I really don't want to hijack this great thread. I'm not opposed to sharing my info with this forum I just hate it when a good thread makes a left turn. PM is on it's way.

You sure are putting in some long hours for the clinic today aren't you. I see that you are over on the other site bashing the Armani clinic. You even have your photoshop software in high gear.

quote:

Originally posted by Landen:
You sure are putting in some long hours for the clinic today aren't you. I see that you are over on the other site bashing the Armani clinic. You even have your photoshop software in high gear.

Sheesh, I thought you were leaving?