dhoose (or anyone who is in the know about bodybuilding):

there is a russian I train with....Drago....seriously, his name is Drago...anyways, he weighs ~190-200, ~6ft tall and **YEAR ROUND** is big and shredded....he could seriously walk onto a bodybuilding stage in a day's notice and look the part....obv steroids is the first thing that pops into our minds, which he vehemently denies -- and also states that he takes no other supplements like creatine....is this possible? can someone have like 5% bodyfat year round w/ size w/o taking any supplements? and if so, how rare is this.

Hello Thanatopsis_awry

your Russian friend is either a genetic freak or is stretching the the truth.
Even some of todays top pro bodybuilders have at one time or another insisted that they were drug free.

Dabuski

thanatopis,

as daboski said he could be a genetic freak or is streching the truth and on drugs; I seen pictures of former Olympia ronnie coleman when he played college football; at that time he didn't even train like a bodybuilder; just did power exercises for football and he could of stepped on a bodybuilding stage and blew people away; he already had that freaky double peak on his bicep in his late teens or 20--example of a genetic freak; however for the average Joe 6ft 200 lbs at 5% bodyfat is difficult withouth some assistance in the medicine cabinet, and I'm not talking just protein powder and creatine.

drago:..."I don't take ANYTHING".

yeah right! Almost no guy is gonna tell you (in person) that he did roids, unless you guys are real tight and you grew up together or something. they don't want everybody in the gym knowing, unless their training together and both on roids. I knew guys in high school who did it and they swore to everyone else up n down that they didn't do it.

He is lying. period. Why would he spend so much time in the gym and not even take creatine? that doesn't make sense.

Hmmm, thx for all the replies....you make very valid points. that he denies even taking creatine as a supplement, nor ever even diets, and looks like this w/o any "effort" is what really cinches it I think, which you've all mentioned as well. Though he does mention that he drinks, and I quote, "carrot juice"

He just acts like *any* supplement is foreign to him....but, like you say NG2GB, you yourslf knew guys who swore to pretty much everyone they didn't do it. Even w/ every "typical" supplement the guy would be classified as a total genetic freak. Perhaps he is a freak among freaks, but it has to be more likely that he juices....also, if it was known that he did roids' it would *severely* be to his detriment....would put a huge asterix on his otherworldy performance....strength, explosiveness, endurance, recovery....

He also has this super "dry" look, like he doesn't have an iota of fat or water retention to mask his muscles.....dunno if that is roid-related.

Thx for the opinions, appreciated!

Every person who took steriods ALWAYS denies it. Generally speaking, if you see a huge guy,ripped guy, he takes steroids or somthing like it HGH etc.. It is very difficult to get big and lean. Trust me , I have known a lot of big guys and they all do it.

Creatine is legal. There is no reason for him not to take it, it's really beneficial. I would guess that he was lying. If he's lying about that then ther would be no way he would tell you he was using steroids.

Iknow someone who is extremely big and lean and he definately does not take any type of drugs.He basically lives in the gym and eats for england.

AWwww, thats great Chucky. We all knew you would eventually find someone.
Big, lean, and drug free, thats just what you were looking for...

Does he treat you nice?

Very nice if i buy him a few skinless cooked chickens

ooooo

"AWwww, thats great Chucky. We all knew you would eventually find someone.
Big, lean, and drug free, thats just what you were looking for..." - ng2gb

- That was waaaay funny. Except I missed something with your come back Chucky. Skinless chickens????

Chucky had no comeback, per say; just an elucidation on his commitment towards keeping the aforementioned "big , lean, and drug free" gent happy and nice by feeding him skinless, cooked chicken breasts.

Personally, I would require my meat to be already seasoned upon delivery; but, to each his own, I suppose.

Gotcha. I'm not always so quick on the uptake. Perhaps if he'd said, organic skinless cooked chicken, I would have got it sooner. Appreciate it Thana!!!

*Organic*, yes!

Haha

I guess all of these baseball players were on the same plan .. Now the truth is coming out .. Of course there are exceptions to the rule but they are few are far between . The term big is also a relative term as well.
I'm talking 220 lbs plus in my book for an average size man 5'10 or so

Hi Janna
He`s got to keep his stamina up to put in a good session

He likes his meat well done unlike myself who`s weightlifting is lifting that bottle or beer from the bar to my mouth and yes i said bottle a beer.

See the following link -me on hols after my DHI ht

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3uZDFVT9PY

Jobi,

It too bad it really refers to all pro athletes and not just the hoards of baseball players. The flood gate have opened. It sends such a wrong msg and all those young people looking up to them as role models....tsk, tsk.

Chucky,

I caught the "bottle" part, but it's better to clarify. Hey, good come back on the chicken bit for your big, lean guy. Pretty good for an english guy!

Janna you cant clarify anything down in the forum basement.The truth is out there somewhere though.
A wise person once said i like it hard,i like it long and very big and strong.

Northern English with a slight accent i`ll have you know.